You know, this thread really needs a list of of the publishers responsible for this travesty.
“Publishers Hachette Book Group Inc, HarperCollins Publishers LLC, John Wiley & Sons Inc and Penguin Random House LLC” - According to Reuters
Internet Archive forced to remove 500,000 books after publishers’ court win
Submitted 4 months ago by schizoidman@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.world
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HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Dud@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Of course those Penguin fucks are involved.
ChowJeeBai@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Welp, hope they’re backed up somewhere in an uncentralised, segmented, shareable form where people can still access them from the internet.
AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 4 months ago
There’s a Minecraft server that has books and articles stored. it’s called The Uncensored Library, (visit.uncensoredlibrary.com), and they have various articles and books that are free to view. The Uncensored Library was created by Reporters Without Borders. If I were the people of the Internet Archive, I’d be talking to the folks in the RSF about porting some of their content to this virtual library.
Jordan117@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It only contains a relatively small collection of banned reporting from various countries, not the whole Internet Archive, and only in the form of in-game books, not anything really usable IRL. It’s neat but basically a promotional project for RWB.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
We live in a system that actively prevents humans to get more knowledge, go figure.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 months ago
We live in a system that monetizes everything, then seeks to restrict access to those things in order to profit.
Knowledge is just one casualty.
Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Scarcity is money and if there is no scarcity laws will be bought to to artificially create said scarcity.
Zacryon@lemmy.wtf 4 months ago
No one is preventing you from visiting a library, which would be a fesible alternative.
However, not a simple solution for everyone in every country. Knowlegde should be a free and shared common good.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Libraries where good for before the XXI century. Nowadays the amount of content they had is pretty small. Most libraries don’t really has anything but the more famous books.
Disaster@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Well, except scumbags like eric adams, NYC’s bought-owned-and-operated-by-real-estate-interests mayor.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
No one is preventing you from visiting a library, which would be a fesible alternative.
actually blatantly wrong, public libraries are slowly dying and losing funding.
NutWrench@lemmy.world 4 months ago
There are a lot of books that are out of print, especially reference books. And if you look for them on Amazon or eBay, they’ve been snapped up by scalpers who are reselling them for obscene profit.
Either make the books available for sale or quit complaining about “copyright infringement.” But whatever you do, quit hoarding knowledge like a dragon sitting on a pile of gold.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Exactly. Copyright should be nullified if there’s no longer first party sales.
We should also go back to the original copyright duration: 14 years with an optional, one-time extension for an additional 14 years.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
Copyright should be nullified if there’s no longer first party sales.
Then everything created before now will compete with new copyrighted creations.
In a lobbied environment such a thing can’t exist.
Probably some elaborations about what exclusive rights can and can’t be should have been put into US constitution (because US is the main source of this particular problem, though, of course, it’ll be defended by interested parties in many other countries), but that was written a bit earlier than even electric telegraphy became a thing.
They really couldn’t imagine trying to destroy\outlaw earlier better creations so that the garbage wouldn’t have competition. Printing industry back then did, of course, have weight in making laws, but not such an unbalanced one, because the middle class of that time wouldn’t consume as easily as in ours (one could visually differentiate members of that by normal shoes and clothes), and books were physical objects.
aliteral@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If something does not sale anymore, automatically should go public domain or open source. Games, for example.
notnotmike@programming.dev 4 months ago
I was looking for resources for a custom LLM and noticed they had a ton of copyrighted books and wondered to myself how the heck that was legal
I guess this answers that
cafeinux@infosec.pub 4 months ago
Just like regular libraries have copyrighted books: they lend them to one person at a time.
Nougat@fedia.io 4 months ago
Which IA failed to do, which is why they got sued, and why they can’t lend those publishers’ books at all anymore.
I have no sympathy.
notnotmike@programming.dev 4 months ago
They definitely weren’t monitoring the one at a time rule… I downloaded the file and now have it forever
Agent641@lemmy.world 4 months ago
AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Also change the folder name to “Homework”
lemmy_nightmare@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
My Homework is over 100GB
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 4 months ago
I hope they remove them like how Apple removed deleted texts.
Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Also the “deleted images” years back from icloud
lemmy_nightmare@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
😂
Feliskatos@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I wish the cost of internet access decreased to match decreased available content. Internet shrinkinflation?
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 4 months ago
With pacbell’s interwebs, you get 30 email addresses, and a free subscription to Yahoo’s front page!!! Hurry!
AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 4 months ago
What you need is the innernette
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Hopefully they have an offline backup in storage somewhere for when the current shitshow ends
Colonel_Panic_@lemm.ee 4 months ago
(Unplugs external drive)
“I deleted them.”
“You deleted all of them?”
“Yep, not on the website anymore. See.”
“Ok… Good… But I’m watching you.”
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Well they have no reason to delete them as they “own” the copy they have. They just need to take them offline until they get through the appeal or lose and have to keep them on a p2p torrent aspect instead of through their site. That sucks
uebquauntbez@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So OpenAI is next to stop using those too?
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 months ago
No. That would involve the general public maintaining a consistent position.
I want knowledge to be free. That means free. That means governments, businesses, NGOs, your local church sewing circle, AIs/LLMs, refugees living in tents, convicts, children, and any other humans or human organizations or anything humans built.
I am willing to accept a LIMITED duration copyright and patent and private science publication system if it could be reformed such that it the brains behind it were paid and couldn’t legally sign away their compensation. Given that we as a society aren’t willing to build this the best course of action is to actively work to break copyright
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Wouldn’t the attacks on openai be the same as these ones. Like if I was large media company wouldn’t I want my media to be vilifying AI because its the same principal and mechanism as training AI. They can kill two birds
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That’s good. The internet is for advertiser’s and businesses. Its not for archives of information
Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 4 months ago
If anyone wants my ebook library just let me know.
Agent641@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Ditto. I have everything from Apache web server guides to Apache helicopter service manuals.
MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Time to create some torrents? Let’s see them fight with the Netherlands on what’s seeding in Europe lol
unrushed233@lemmings.world 4 months ago
Sign the petition! Not sure if it is going to make any difference, but it just takes a couple of minutes. change.org/…/let-readers-read-an-open-letter-to-t…
T156@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The internet archive plans to appeal the ruling, so the fight is hardly over at this juncture.
Would be interesting to see where it goes.
ratzki@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
This means there is still time for data hoarders to react?
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The Supreme Court and you know how they will rule.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Great, another victory of people keeping IP in closed box away from the public at the small cost of culture disappearing.
yildolw@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The Internet Archive picked a dumb fight that it couldn’t win. I want to donate money to the Wayback Machine, but I can’t because they’ll spend it appealing this stupid thing.
RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So youve donated a bunch and now stopped? Right? Anakin?
DancingBear@midwest.social 4 months ago
Don’t worry. It’s all on the way back machine 👀
MrWafflesNBacon@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You do realize that archive.org also manages the WayBack machine? (Not sure if your joking or not)
DancingBear@midwest.social 4 months ago
Yea I know I was teasing
qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
Have a look at ardrive and arweave permaweb.
elxeno@lemm.ee 4 months ago
ia-ai
Disaster@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Yeah, kinda funny how it’s OK when there’s a bunch of neoliberal gangsters like larry summers behind it, right?