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Copyright should be nullified if there’s no longer first party sales.

Then everything created before now will compete with new copyrighted creations.

In a lobbied environment such a thing can’t exist.

Probably some elaborations about what exclusive rights can and can’t be should have been put into US constitution (because US is the main source of this particular problem, though, of course, it’ll be defended by interested parties in many other countries), but that was written a bit earlier than even electric telegraphy became a thing.

They really couldn’t imagine trying to destroy\outlaw earlier better creations so that the garbage wouldn’t have competition. Printing industry back then did, of course, have weight in making laws, but not such an unbalanced one, because the middle class of that time wouldn’t consume as easily as in ours (one could visually differentiate members of that by normal shoes and clothes), and books were physical objects.

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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Yup, copyright wasn’t an issue because producing books was expensive enough to discourage copycats. The original copyright act I’m referring to was passed in 1790, which was actually passed a year before the Bill of Rights was ratified. There was a lot of contention around the Bill of Rights, with many saying they were self-evident and didn’t need explicit protection, and I’m guessing the Copyright Act was similar in distinguishing what should be a regular law and what needs an amendment.

It was probably discussed in the constitutional convention, but probably dismissed since the constitution was intended to define and restrict government, not define what citizens can and cannot do. I think that’s the appropriate scope as well, I’m just sad that we’ve let the laws get away from us.

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- rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  I think that’s the appropriate scope as well, I’m just sad that we’ve let the laws get away from us.
  
  I don’t.
  
  You are right in the sense that it all comes down to the society having such laws or not having them (as in rioting till something changes?).
  
  But in the sense of forces nudging these laws in one or another direction, anything that causes a constant one-sided drift when left to usual laws should be moved to constitutional ones.
  
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  - sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    The only difference in the US code vs the Constitution is the difficulty of passing or revoking them, and we’ve done both (alcohol prohibition). That cuts both ways. Progressives will decry the 2A, and conservatives seem to hate the 14A, and both seem to hate the 1A (at least the speech bit).
    
    What we should instead do is adjust the barrier to passing laws. It should reaquire 60% in the Senate to block a House bill, and it should pass with 40% support. Perhaps 60% should be required for the house as well, idk. There should also be limitations on the content of bills, so fewer omnibis bills and more smaller bills (one idea is to force legislators to swear under oath that they understand the bill). That should allow popular legislation to make it through easier.
    
    Regardless, we need to overhaul our IP laws and return them to their original purpose: helping smaller creators to compete against larger players.
    
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    rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    There should also be limitations on the content of bills, so fewer omnibis bills and more smaller bills (one idea is to force legislators to swear under oath that they understand the bill). That should allow popular legislation to make it through easier.
    
    That is the hardest problem to solve fundamentally IMHO. The package bills.
    
    Which is why some people give up (or lose their mind) and become 'sovereign citizens" or ancaps.
    
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