Comment on Tesla’s in its flop era

Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  looking for untainted brands.

  I wish them good luck for the hunt

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  • Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ll settle for one where the CEO isn’t a Nazi.

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  • maynarkh@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Let’s be honest, they are looking for brands where it is not everyone’s first association that the CEO is in the news every week for being in the wrong side of the culture war. They don’t mind if the company they buy from does some union busting and buys raw materials mined by slaves, as long as it’s drowned out by the marketing of said brand.

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  • ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But… Volkswagen!

    Oh, wait.

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  • HowManyNimons@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Where are all the well-meaning auto companies? Where?

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• OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This probably is true for some people, which is why I hope he steps down.

  Me, I’m waiting for the prices to come down (more than the recent price cuts) on the Model 3, or for a more affordable AWD EV with similar range becomes available.

  I order online from Amazon and Walmart too, it doesn’t mean I agree with their CEOs, board, or business practices. The shit those companies get away with is arguably worse than Musk’s right wing BS on X, with union busting and employees depending on benefits to survive.

  If you’re able to make a statement and buy something else, great! I support that. My requirements for a vehicle are: full EV, AWD, 300+ mile range, final cost under 40k. The access to supercharging also seems nearly essential, but I’m willing to explore my options if they meet the other requirements. I also never want to buy from a scumbag car dealer again. That really doesn’t leave me any other options that I’m aware of.

  If not, I guess I could stick it to Elon and just buy another ICE vehicle…

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I wouldn’t set one foot in those cars.

    The employee training the company offers is “woefully inadequate,” Reveal reported in its investigation. Turley told me she was never taught how to do her job and only shown videos that included a history of the plant and information about Tesla, but nothing about the work she would be doing. “You pretty much have to learn from the people that’s in there,” she said. Cleon Waters also said in his filing that he was never given any training for his job assembling parts of car motors. California safety regulators cited Tesla eight times for deficient training between 2013 and 2018.

    thenation.com/…/tesla-racism-sexual-harassment/

    (Warning: this whole article is awful and infuriating.)

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    • OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Cars and car companies suck. If I could lug all my sports shit around in an e-bike I would.

      I imagine the conditions aren’t great at all these “American” car plants which are conveniently located in Mexico for maximum abuse of labor.

      I’m not saying your wrong, there just needs to be alternatives in order for consumers to vote with their wallet on these issues.

      For something like a car which is not optional for me, it’s either an ICE from a scummy car dealer with a scummy company behind them that uses questionable labor practices, or an EV from a scummy car dealer with a scummy company behind them that uses questionable labor practices, or an EV from a company with a scummy CEO that uses questionable labor practices. At least with a Tesla you can cut out some of the scumbags? I’d be interested in Rivian too if I could afford one but they start at 70k.

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      • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m sorry, the response to ‘these people are making cars without being trained’ should not be ‘cars and car companies suck’ because that would not be the case in any other car company.

        Teslas are rolling deathtraps.

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  • CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think you make a valid point that it’s extremely difficult to avoid buying from companies or CEOs you disagree with on political or moral grounds.

    However, in the case of Tesla, I’ve lost faith in the product. I don’t know if I will discover that corners were cut, that features will be removed over the air, or that the company won’t crash and burn.

    So, the erratic, narcissistic CEO is the reason I won’t buy a Tesla anymore, but it’s not a sacrifice because I consider it to be the pragmatic choice as well.

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  • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Chevy Bolt is full EV, and only $12,000 after some rebates that may only apply in California. It doesn’t have 300 mile range, only 250-280. I haven’t actually checked, but I think it has a motor on each wheel, so that would be 4WD. Unfortunately, they have decided to discontinue the Bolt after this year.

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It was also UAW made. Which is one of the most important things for me when it comes to buying a new vehicle

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      • OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This is a good point, I’m more inclined to support a unionized company. Still… my understanding is that GM and Ford (and others) all circumvent unionization by manufacturing (to some extent) in Mexico. I guess it depends on the individual car. I’m supportive of Federal and State EV incentives that prioritize made in the US, unionized manufacturing.

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    • OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, this is my dilemma. I have heard positive things about Ford and GM in regards to them making it easier to skip the dealership, do that at least addresses the convenience factor. Another factor in wanting to avoid the dealership is that I don’t trust their business model where they sell you a car that they want you to bring in regularly for maintenance. I’d rather buy from a company that doesn’t see vehicle service as a revenue opportunity. Does that apply to Tesla? I’m not sure, but I know that’s how the traditional dealership model works so it’s hard to trust those companies.

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    • bilb@lem.monster ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I really like my Bolt, it perfectly suits my needs and I love driving it. I think the biggest compromise that makes it unattractive for long distance travel is the relatively slow charging speed. I very rarely do that, however, and if I did I might rent a different vehicle.

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  • negativeyoda@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s really not that difficult to not buy from Walmart and Amazon. I’m not saying any retailer is ideologically pure and chill across the board but mom and pop shops sell 95% of what they do and the money stays in your community

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• istanbullu@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tesla’s biggest market is China, not America. Elon’s antics are not the cause. Selling Teslas in China getting harder due to American policies against China. How many Teslas do you think they will let Elon sell if the US bans Tiktok?

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  • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I thought you nailed it, but then I read past the first sentence. Tesla is failing in China because they can’t compete with price. Even a lot of the luxury models are now cheaper than a Tesla.

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    • designatedhacker@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Exactly BYD is their biggest problem. Also they can’t claim higher build quality so you’d really pay more for just the brand.

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