I think the whole Twitter debacle has disproven that he's a good businessman. Rather, it highlights how far one can get by having heritable wealth and being in the right place at the right time.
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4realz@lemmy.world 6 months agoExactly, but “technically” he is credited as a founder. He’s a really good business man.
DarkGamer@kbin.social 6 months ago
penguin@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
He’s successful in spite of himself. He makes terrible decisions constantly.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 6 months ago
He seems like the avatar of the concept that rich people are not being allowed to fail in society, no matter how hard they try. Once you reach a certain size, there will always be an army of people around them to hold them up.
Musk is too big to fail.
Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
I guess when you have enough money you get to try enough times that you accidentally make good choices sometimes. Or people just think he’s smart because he’s rich.
Plopp@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Being credited as something doesn’t mean you are that something. My ex credited me for having a big penis.
Elon is not a founder of Tesla, no matter what any documents say. Calling him such when you know he isn’t makes you a liar, a fool or a co-conspirator.
Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Now I am laughing because I am imagining you working the big penis anecdote into every comment and conversation.
That would be a funny bit.
TigrisMorte@kbin.social 6 months ago
twist: Plopp is the penis' account.
echo64@lemmy.world 6 months ago
He isn’t a “really good business man”, everything he’s made is built on a foundation of lies. Eventually, it’ll collapse or be saved by socialised systems for being too big to fail. Musk is a con man, not a businessman. He’s just made a living out of conning investors and the public alike.
TheEntity@kbin.social 6 months ago
I don't know, it sounds like the definition of a business man.
echo64@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, businessmen do business. Steve Jobs did business, he figured out markets, created markets based on what his business could provide. That’s actual business.
A grifter, a con man, is not a business man, they wear the skin of one to fool people like yourself into buying into the con. Looks like it works.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
As much as I loathe musk, this is exactly what Starlink is. It’s a company founded solely to buy the product SpaceX is making, because other people couldn’t buy enough.
Of course, Starlink is floating almost entirely on venture capital, but that’s how Amazon got started too.
nonailsleft@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Steve Jobs also conspired with his competitors to underpay their staff. Staff as in the people that helped him do business and make billions
Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
My evil, greedy and manipulative capitalist is better than your evil, greedy and manipulative capitalist!!!
4realz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
True.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I think it was sarcasm.
Fishytricks@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Sarcasm doesn’t travel well through text.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah right. Sure it doesn’t.
muse@kbin.social 6 months ago
Wasn't sarcasm, some are that gullible
nonailsleft@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Just have to lay it on thicc
4realz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Oh it wasn’t.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Well then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
4realz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I understand where you’re coming from, but business is brutal and things like this happen in that world. PayPal (formely X .com) was also started by Elon, I don’t think he “scammed/tricked” anyone on that. And he has made billions for his investors over the years. I mean Tesla is worth over $600 billion, due to the marketing genius that is Elon.
mosiacmango@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Man, learn something about someone before you go worshipping someone.
X was bought by paypal, but was far from “integral.” It was just its largest competitor for Confinidy at the time because Musk was washing it in money he made from a previous venture. Musk was a actually briefly the CEO of PayPal, but his decisions were so poor that he was forced out.. He still retained enough shares of paypal to hit it big time, which is when he poured all hia money into a long shot bet called Tesla, which he used goverment funds and seed capitol from his rich friends to keep alive until it turned an actual profit a decade later.
Dude grew up with emerald mine money, then just kept taking outlandish risks because he had an emerald mine to keep his ass housed and fed, and yeah, eventually hit it big. Super duper.
Turns out that if you have a wealthy life always secured at hands, you too could gamble big and make even more money. Thats how capitalism is deisgned to work. Capital makes more capital.
The fact that you’re suckered in bu the worlds best gambler play a game that had no negative stakes for him is sad as fuck man. Be proud of someone who overcame actual adversity for fucks sake
4realz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Interesting, thanks for sharing. I’ll have to do some more research on Elon then.
cocobean@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Don’t forget blatant market manipulation. Pump&dumps on Bitcoin, doge coin, TWTR, and TSLA…
IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 6 months ago
He didn’t start PayPal. It was founded by Pieter Thiel, another billionaire christofascist, and four other guys and non of them are called Elon Musk. X.com was bought by PayPal.
mosiacmango@lemm.ee 6 months ago
It’s wild how little this dude knows about Elon musk while singing his praises to the heavens, but I guess those two things go hand in hand.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 6 months ago
I find it absolutely hilarious that literally anyone thinks one of the wealthiest people in the world “isn’t a good business man”. Like how completely proposterous is that?
It just speaks the the absolute bias of people who don’t like him and can’t possibly say anything that might be poorly construed as positive.
maynarkh@feddit.nl 6 months ago
I think that the criticism is that our system does not raise the smartest or the best to the top.