If I was not using my PC for gaming also, I would probably say fuck then and be on Linux too. But gaming on Linux is cancer.
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BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 9 months ago
After using Windows for 30+ years now (since Windows 1), this is one of the straws finally pushing me into Linux.
I’m running 10, but without a TPM, can’t go to 11. So sad. Not.
Honestly 7 was the last decent OS they made. In my opinion the good OS’s were NT4 (game changer), 2000, XP, 7. They can keep the rest.
Adequately_Insane@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Rootiest@lemmy.world 9 months ago
But gaming on Linux is cancer.
Your information is outdated
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Gaming on Windows just works, gaming on Linux can work but might be problematic with some hardware (as is the case with OP based on another comment they made), let’s not pretend it’s as easy.
Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 9 months ago
I probably wouldn’t call it cancer, seems quite loaded, but gaming on Linux still has its snags even if performance on it its better. Like you and OP said, hardware is a big issue, but also some gaming-oriented creature comforts like a proper platform for recording/screenshotting. Steam has screenshotting but not recording AFAIK, Yes, OBS exists, but let’s be real - it’s clunky to set up. On Windows, it will detect a running game automatically and let you record. Someone did send me another piece of software that’s simpler, but it doesn’t support Wayland. The transition from X11 to Wayland is affecting a lot of software like this, and Windows just doesn’t have this issue.
Rootiest@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Having recently switched myself I actually have experienced less issues and better game performance from Linux than I did on Windows, at least with the games I play and the hardware I have.
Definitely not what I would call cancer
PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 9 months ago
you got a lot of hate because Lemmy tends to be militantly pro-Linux, (it sort of goes hand-in-hand with the FOSS ideas that Lemmy is built on) but every Linux user who built their own rig has wanted to throw their computer out the fucking window while trying to get nvidia drivers to work.
Linux gamers point to the Steam Deck as the example that gaming on Linux isn’t awful… The Steam Deck is an amazing advancement, but it’s essentially just a console like the Xbox or PlayStation; It’s using a known list of hardware, with pre-installed and pre-tested drivers. As far as play-testing and QA is concerned, that’s as close as you can get to having a controlled environment. For people who build their own computers, drivers on Linux are still a fucking nightmare. You still occasionally have to fight with them just to get modern games working.
It’s better than it used to be, for sure. But it’s nowhere near as easy as many people want to claim. Especially when compared to Windows, where it usually is just plug and play. Microsoft can suck a chode for their invasive and monopolistic practices, but those same practices are also what led to gaming being so fucking easy on Windows. You buy the game, you install the game, and the game boots up first try. Because companies test for Windows. They know what to expect from Windows. They know how hardware will perform on Windows, and what the potential pitfalls will be. None of that is true for Linux, where the OS varies just as much as the user’s hardware.
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
Totally agreed. It was a chore setting up gpu switching in my Nvidia + AMD igpu laptop. There were times where a gold rated game didn’t work or was basically unplayable for me (Teardown, but it’s working now). Haven’t found a just werks autohotkey script (needed for Danganronpa, played on Win instead bc of it). Bluetooth connectivity has it’s quirks, etc. These small things add up, so yeah Linux still needs a lot of ironing for me to recommend it beyond web browsing.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Saying gaming on Linux is caner is “hate”? Lol
Come on. Go look at forums, communities, etc and see how much effort people have to put in to Linux at times just to get sound working properly, and that’s before a game is even loaded.
Linux still has these issues, though they’ve gotten tremendously better.
When’s the last time you loaded windows and sound didn’t work out of the gate?
Windows just works, that’s what OP is on about. He wants to play games, not play “what isn’t working in my OS now?”.
This is also part of what drives the console market - people just want to play their game.
The Linux community can be blind about these barriers for tee average user. Yea, you can lookup and learn commands, where stuff goes, etc. But by god is that a pain in the ass. You’ve gotta be sufficiently motivated about what your doing to want to get through that. And I say this as someone who had Unix classes a long time ago.
PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I think you misread my comment? Or I’m misreading yours. I agree with you lol
Rootiest@lemmy.world 9 months ago
When’s the last time you loaded windows and sound didn’t work out of the gate?
I had trouble getting Assassin’s Creed Valhalla, Cyberpunk 2077, Horizon Zero Dawn, and BG3 to open at all on Windows at various times.
All of them work great for me on Linux.
I think 99% of my issues with Windows were due to Windows Updates but the point is I don’t have those problems on Linux. You never hear about Linux forcing updates that break your system.
beerclue@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Drivers aren’t really an issue anymore either…
pHr34kY@lemmy.world 9 months ago
As long as you choose AMD.
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Hybrid gpu laptops: I’m about to ruin this man’s while career
Patch@feddit.uk 9 months ago
It really all depends what we’re talking about when we say “gaming” tbh. Proton on Steam will run literally thousands of titles in one click, no configuration necessary, flawlessly. But thousands of titles isn’t all titles. If you’re a gamer who is happy to play what works and miss out on what doesn’t, there are enough games on Linux to keep you playing for a hundred lifetimes. But if you’ve got a specific competitive multiplayer game in mind that implements anti cheat, or you want to play all the biggest AAA releases as soon as they come out, you’re going to have a less positive experience.
And yeah, Nvidia on Linux can really suck, too. Anybody buying/building a rig with Linux in mind should steer well clear. If you’re talking about an existing machine with Nvidia then you might get lucky and have an easy straightforward time, or you might find yourself straight in at the deep end with a crash course of Linux sysadmin…
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Do you only play Valorant and Rainbow 6 Siege? Most of my games work now by simply clicking Play, which wasn’t the case even 2 years ago.
squaresinger@feddit.de 9 months ago
There’s some bug between KDE, my Nvidia GPU, Prime, Proton and DXVK that causes my whole system to freeze (can’t even switch to console) if I try to play games with the GPU selection set to “on-demand”.
If I completely disable the Intel GPU, it runs fine, but that means I basically can’t use the laptop without a charger (because the battery drains so fast), unless I switch the GPU setting (requires a reboot) every time I want to game.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Totally fair about the laptop issues. I know sound, wifi, touchpads, fingerprint unlocks aren’t always fully compatible, and prime switcher can put up a fuss (though I remember using an alternative back in the day). I guess I’m just astounded from where I started (looking through WineHQ and GamingOnLinux forums, trying the scripts and crossing my fingers) to now, where my rig is beefy enough that a small performance hit that Proton could cause isn’t noticeable at all.
So actually, Gaming On Linux is cancerous, in the sense that it’s grown exponentially, and thanks to Valve’s support with Proton and the Steam Deck, the OS once was an afterthought for gaming has “metastasized” itself into relevancy.
Molecular0079@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Anyone gonna tell him about the Steam Deck?
Railcar8095@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Dude just wants Microsoft-sempai to notice him. I don’t think reason or facts are very useful
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Lol.
Just look at the comments here about gaming problems on Linux.
Seriously - you never see these problems on windows these days.
“We’ll, just buy different hardware” is one answer. Imagine saying that to someone who has an extant gaming setup running windows.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Not everyone wants to buy separate hardware for gaming, OP mentioned in another comment that Linux doesn’t play well with their laptop if they want to play games on it. It’s funny to see some of the Linux crowd being unable to admit that it just isn’t as plug and play as running Windows… Especially with an Nvidia GPU.
Molecular0079@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Eh? I wasn’t suggesting they buy separate hardware. I was just responding to the comment about Linux being cancer for gaming. The Steam Deck is literally proof that the OS is completely viable for gaming. I’ve been gaming just fine on my desktop with an Nvidia 3090. Linux really isn’t as bad as you think it is. It’s funny how there’s a bunch of Windows users that refuse to believe that gaming can happen on another OS. Just sounds close minded tbh.
nickknack@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Not so much anymore, it’s apparently improved significantly and getting better all the time. Check out /c/linux_gaming . A lot of avid proponents there given the shitshow M$FT has made of Windows.
Darken@reddthat.com 9 months ago
[deleted]Railcar8095@lemm.ee 9 months ago
At the same time, Baldurs Gate 3 is the most played game (in hours) on the steam deck for the past 2 months. A game that had to be delayed on Xbox because the series S couldn’t handle it.
If you see a large difference in performance Windows/Linux then dinner m something is not right. Might be Nvidia card with the open source drivers?
JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
Hmm what’s your specs?
noodlejetski@lemm.ee 9 months ago
only 20 yr old games worked great on Linux
I’ve got over 900 hours clocked in Apex Legends, and about 100 in Valheim. I’ve been playing multiple games from the past 5 years without any issues.
Sentau@feddit.de 9 months ago
It seems your igpu is being used instead of the dGPU
beerclue@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I have 300+ games in my Steam library, some of them with Linux builds, just a few. The rest work with Proton. I did not find a game yet that didn’t work on Linux…
sylveon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
I’ve found some and it sucks if the one game that doesn’t work well is one you play a lot. For me it’s Trackmania. It works some of the time but often breaks. It seems like the issue isn’t with the game itself but with Ubisoft Connect, which is pretty shit even on Windows. Very annoying.
pHr34kY@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Fortnite.
Well, it works until the server kicks you off.
db2@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
No great loss there.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s so easy to run on Linux now. Lol what are you doing?
noorbeast@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
May I ask why you think so, Steam Deck is built on Arch Linux?
jordanlund@lemmy.world 9 months ago
That’s what the Steam Deck is for. ;)
MyNamesNotRobert@lemmynsfw.com 9 months ago
I game on Linux and don’t even have Windows installed. If a game doesn’t work, I refund and it isn’t worth playing. I just don’t care.
Toes@ani.social 9 months ago
3.1 and 98se were pretty decent at the time too.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Yea, 3.11 was a significant change. It was still just dos with a shell.
A usable shell, which was quite new for the time.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You mean 98se? 3.11 was more than a shell with all the updates. It had a 32bit preemptive subsystem.
95 was 3.11 with a good gui. At release there were better guis for 3.11 than 95’s like Pubtech and Norton Desktop.
Toes@ani.social 9 months ago
Did you know that windows XP had a feature to enable the old progman gui 3.11 had, I used that for a long while till they took it out in an update.
db2@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
3.11 with win32s
KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Not only is it easy to bypass the TPM requirement, but literally all modern CPUs have the ability to enable software TPM, or you can buy a hardware TPM for a few bucks.
It’s funny that you’ll go through the trouble of messing with Linux instead of just flipping a switch in your BIOS.
jaidyn999@lemm.ee 9 months ago
All the current major distros of linux require TPM.
TPM prevents users from downloading random kinder eggs that install ransomware. Any business that disables TPM is crazy.
Chobbes@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Why do you say a TPM prevents users from running malicious hardware? As far as I know that’s not really what they’re used for.
bruhduh@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’d like to see how you disable tpm on 2010s thinkpad where tpm don’t even exist
teft@startrek.website 9 months ago
Oh windows 2000 how I miss thee.
legios@aussie.zone 9 months ago
I honestly think it’s the best OS they released. Shame so many games would throw a shitfit at the time because it reported it was Windows NT (rightfully so).
fox2263@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You can use the Rufus USB flashing tool with the Windows 11 iso and it will remove the TPM requirement and others.
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Rufus is the shit, love Rufus.
fox2263@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s pretty brilliant!
Dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Yeah I have windows 11 on multiple computers without secure boot or tpm enabled
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Oh that’s neat. Thanks!