Comment on A month after a pig heart transplant, man works to regain strength with no rejection so far

AccidentalLemming@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There’s nothing ethically wrong with this until we consider eating meat unethical. As a society, we’re nowhere near that.

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  • AccidentalLemming@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’re breeding and killing an animal for its organs, and some would find that unethical. But you are doing it to save a human life, so it’s a bit of a trolley problem I suppose.

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not less ethical than doing it for meat, is my point.

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      • BastingChemina@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Especially since a pig raised for organ transplant probably has way better living conditions than a pig raised for meat in an industrial farm.

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      • MisterFrog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’d argue it’s more ethical than meat. You can live a healthy life without meat (provided you’re still getting your protein and B12). You’re kinda dead without a heart.

        I agree, while we’re eating meat, feels strange to call the ethics of pig heart harvesting into question.

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      • seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Except eating meat doesn’t save lives

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    • theUnlikely@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Is it different from breeding and killing an animal to eat it?

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      • OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I would argue it’s more ethically defendable. There are lots of meatless alternatives to eat. A viable hearts for transplant are scarce and if you need one then you NEED one.

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    • Grass@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s literally what the meat industry is though. I guess in americanized cultures more of the animal is seen as waste parts rather than food, but those probably become hot dogs anyways.

      Anyways, the way I see it meat for eating, and even pig organ transplants are both raising a pig to put parts of its body into a human’s body.

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• name_NULL111653@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  As much as I love animals (more than most people I meet), as a species we must value human life over animal life to some extent. Suffering for corporate exploitation? No, that’s cruel and evil. Minimal suffering in an organism to save a human life? I wish there was a way to keep it from being sentient (so no suffering is felt), but I believe it’s a fair trade for a human life. But yes, we must always strive to minimize the suffering we cause.

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  • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I definitely don’t value humans enough to use an animal as an incubator for a heart. It’s cruel and extremely unethical. Nothing will ever convince me otherwise that animals don’t also deserve life just the same as humans.

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    • BassTurd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      All animals under all circumstances?

      If I’m driving down the road, and a squirrel runs out of nowhere, and I can either hit it or jerk the wheel and fly off the road, I risk that my car will save me, because it will for sure kill the squirrel?

      What if you have a child born with a heart issue that will kill it, and there is an option to euthanize a pig that will likely save your child child life, you would let your child die in lieu of the pig?

      Yea, I’ma call bullshit on that one. It’s good that you value the lives of all creatures, and you think that you value them equally to humans, but you’re lying to yourself.

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      • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You can say whatever you want. I never said it was a popular opinion. Every single time it comes up people say the same things, make the same arguments.

        I know it’s hard to believe, but not everyone shares your belief system.

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      • creditCrazy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Honestly that’s kinda the problem I have with a lot of animal activities you have some that try their best like sheltering stray cats and dogs then you have pita activists that seem to think we must kill humans to make way for our animal overlords

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    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s good for your beliefs, but a useless argument for anyone who eats meat. Raising and slaughtering a pig to provide a human a heart is even more useful than raising one for its meat, and chances are that the one raised for its heart was taken much better care of before being killed.

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    • xpinchx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This only really tracks if you’re vegan, which you may be. But if we slaughter a million pigs for meat is that really any different? We already incubate them for bacon, are you really so against this that you’d let a family member die than slaughter a pig for its heart?

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      • KevonLooney@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        He’s not that against it. He’s just posturing online. Very few people, maybe 0.1%, would choose a pig’s life over their grandmother’s. (No I don’t care if your grandma was a dick. Pick another beloved family member or friend.)

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      • jennraeross@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Even as a vegan, it’s pretty up in the air imo. It’s well established that if your life saving medication contains animal products, you take the medication. This is more complicated for sure, but an argument can probably be made. I’m not sure what I feel about it.

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  • Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Are you vegan?

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