Since not even iPhone users in Europe use iMessage I highly doubt anyone would use it outside the US.
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Encode1307@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Unless the EU makes them, they’re not adopting rcs. I could see them putting out an imessage app for Android though. Probably ad supported to make the experience extra shitty for us. They’d quickly own the messaging market, at least in the US.
GenEcon@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Z4rK@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I feel Europe is a lot more diverse than you think. In Norway, which have a fairly high percentage of iPhone users, iMessage is the most used - or at least I don’t know anyone who doesn’t use it by default.
A few friends chat are on Messenger or Snapchat. Signal / Telegram / WhatsApp etc are extremely rare.
vodka@lemm.ee 8 months ago
And also as a Norwegian I don’t know a single person that uses iMessage.
Everyone I know are using Facebook messenger, Snapchat or WhatsApp.
Z4rK@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Well but I’ll guess most of those you know use Android while most of who I know use iPhone?
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I tried using the Apple app on Android for tracking the tracking thingies. Horrible, horrible app. I will not be trusting anything put out by Apple for Android unless they do a Microsoft and go all in. Otherwise, they will always have a reason to make the Android experience worse than the iPhone experience.
Cosmocrat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
There is a FOSS app for that github.com/seemoo-lab/AirGuard
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
It’s built into my phone now. But thanks
rmuk@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Under new EU laws, Apple will be forced to allow interoperability with iMessage in the future. That doesn’t necessarily mean them adopting RCS or bringing iMessage to non-Apple platforms, but it does mean they’ll need to at the very least publish an API allowing external software or services to use iMessage.
Encode1307@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I just expect them to make the interoperability as shitty as possible
HeavyRaptor@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I think they found imessage not to be a leading platform so AFAIK this isn’t the case for now. Maybe if more people start using it they’ll revisit the question.
netchami@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
RCS isn’t a good solution. As long as all RCS implementations are proprietary and Google doesn’t even include an RCS client in AOSP and doesn’t let you use a third-party client it’s just as shitty as iMessage. Just use Signal, it’s FOSS, cross-plattform and stores as little data about you as possible. It’s also not run by some garbage big tech corporation.
Encode1307@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I do, but most people don’t
netchami@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
You gotta convince people to switch to Signal. That’s what I’ve been doing for a long time, and it works!
Encode1307@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I lost half the people I’d gotten on signal when they removed sms. People liked it well enough when they could do all their messaging from one app on Android.
clgoh@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Unless carriers deprecate SMS/MMS.
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Phone carriers should be deprecated.
hackitfast@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This is what I believe Google is actually trying to get carriers to do, and I suspect carriers (in some shape or form) will actually do this, just not in the way you think.
RCS will eventually become the dominant messaging standard, however, I think they’re actually working on a backwards compatibility for SMS and MMS in some capacity. In this way, phones (like the iPhone or older Android phones) will still be capable of sending and receiving SMS and MMS in typical elitist walled-garden fashion, but the carrier will receive it as an RCS message and relay it to an RCS-compatible device as an RCS message.
In this way, group chats with four Android users and two iPhone users will still allow those Android users to benefit from RCS from each other (typing indicators, reactions, potentially some level of E2E, etc), while the iPhones in the group chat will actually be the ones having a negative experience (no typing indicators, reactions appearing as text messages, no E2E, obnoxious green bubbles) since Apple refuses to integrate RCS into their Messaging application. Of course Apple will continue to gaslight their customers through high contrast green bubble dark patterns, and continued refusal of adopting RCS or creating iMessage for Android.
The #GetTheMessage ads are likely gearing up for the eventuality of this change, and the Pixel x iPhone ads are all “buddy buddy, kill them with kindness” so they can out Apple as the hostile ones when they refuse to acknowledge the existence of other smartphones either through its aggressive marketing, or through refusal to adopt open standards.
If this were all to happen, depending on how well the RCS backwards compatibility worked and its ability to out Apple as the shut ins that they are, I could (crazy talk) foresee Apple creating a standalone iMessage app to, at the very minimum, keep Android users talking within their iMessage ecosystem.
matlag@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Not going to happen. They charge such an insanely high premium vs real cost for a very primitive messaging system, they’re not letting that go!
nicoweio@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Is there any precedent to ads in Apple products (apart from their store)? Although they’ll surely find other ways to annoy non-Apple users, I don’t think ads are “in style” for them.
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Internal memos explicitly stated execs were worried that if they brought iMessage to android, poor families might buy their kids cheap android phones instead of iPhones.
You can’t make this stuff up
theverge.com/…/imessage-android-eddy-cue-emails-a…
EddieTee77@lemdro.id 8 months ago
The audacity of parents trying to buy something less expensive in these crazy inflated times
stevehobbes@lemm.ee 8 months ago
That was from 2013.
MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Except that You literally made it up though? You embellished the part about poor families and cheap phones, here’s the actual quote:
WldFyre@lemm.ee 8 months ago
How else would you read that lol come on, now
micka190@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Kids might want an Android phone for another reason than “we’re poor”. For a while, there were plenty of apps you could get on an Android that you couldn’t get on an iPhone. Customization was a big deal back when I was in highschool. All the cool kids had these shitty custom launchers that made their phone borderline unusable if you didn’t know how they were setup, but that was the cool thing to do back then.
MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I’d read it the way it was written. Apple has less expensive phones for people who want them, and honestly most poor families just get their phones through their carrier at a monthly rate, so your assertion isn’t really a necessary tactic.
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What else could it imply? Surely if money is not an obstacle they’d just buy the iPhone they wanted for their kids.
someguy3@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Ok I’ll ask, how is iMessage fundamentally any different from texting (other than this RCS stuff)? You can still text. Or is it that weird color thing or checkmark that kids are social pressured into?
eletes@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
The color is one part, the other is that it breaks functions in iMessage. So the elitism doubles up
JargonWagon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Liked “The color is one part, the other is that it breaks functions in iMessage. So the elitism doubles up”
someguy3@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Can you tell me what functions? Emojis?
asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Iphone users keep sending me long horribly compressed videos i can’t see at all because it’s not a problem between iPhones. And something about group chats?
That’s all I know of based on my experience.
DarthBueller@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And Android users send me postage-stamp sized videos I can’t see at all. Not gunning, just saying it’s a problem in both directions (and apple’s fault). Also, Android doesn’t have the same easter eggs, like automatic confetti filling my screen when someone writes the word “congratulations!” in iMessage. Oh, right - iMessage gives me in-line replies and the ability to give a thumbs up/down/heart etc. response to a single message. Don’t know if android has this feature, but android users just get a blank text if I “thumbs up” a comment, for example.
MooseBoys@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It goes both ways. Both videos and screenshots from Galaxy phones end up at like 128x80 on my iphone.
Pratai@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Do you think the problem lies with Apple, or the idiot kids that somehow created a hierarchy around a text bubble color?
And let’s face it- if you owned/ran a company that was making fuck-tons of money because idiot kids rallied around exclusive text bubble colors, you’d want to keep that going as well. Don’t even try lying about it.
jasondj@ttrpg.network 8 months ago
It’s not just the bubble color. The bubble color means it will be more difficult to exchange photos/videos (they get sent in MMS and compressed to hell) or use stickers/reactions properly.
Pratai@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
So? Why is that Apple’s problem to fix? Whining about this is the same as whining to your neighbors because their kids have nicer sneakers than your kids do- and then expecting them to fix the problem.
If you want to have the features of an iPhone- GET AN IPHONE.