False dichotomy. Back to banjo practice 🤡
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FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 7 hours ago
Either they’re all ironic and OP sides with Russa over Ukraine or none of them are ironic and OP sides with Israel.
I don’t like it. Fuck Netanyahu and Fuck Russia.
redsand@infosec.pub 1 hour ago
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I don’t interpret this in either of the ways you suggest. I interpret the image as a whole as ironic:
OP is paraphrasing people that claim “Russia bombing people is bad, but the US bombing people is good, and by the way Israel is above all criticism and you’re an antisemite for suggesting otherwise”, and pointing out the hypocrisy in that claim. I think OP is against wars of aggression in general, and is pointing out that the US and Israel are behaving the same way as Russia when they go bombing people “preemptively”, and that being the aggressor in a war is always bad, regardless of who you are.
MTZ@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
THANK YOU. That is exactly what was meant by this. It’s a critique towards Israel and war itself, and in no way was meant to show support for any of these countries.
yakko@feddit.uk 5 hours ago
It’s super hard to joke on Lemmy lately, everyone is srs af
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 5 hours ago
That’s not the US Flag.
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
You correct, it’s the NATO flag, so you can replace “US” with “NATO” in my comment and my original point still stands. I wrote “US”, because they’re the only NATO member currently bombing someone in a war of aggression.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Fuck Netanyahu and Fuck Russia.
This.
skisnow@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
Either they’re all ironic [] or none of them are ironic
Textbook false dichotomy, and not how I read it at all. Setup->Punchline is the most basic joke format in existence.
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
I just interpreted as a meme criticising how people automatically side with the “good side” whether it is actually good or just a puppet state that has to win. Ukraine is actually the good side and accidentally the west supports it. Palestine is actually the good side but they got unlucky and the west supports israel. If anyone is sane, ukraine and palestine both deserve peace because an agressor attacked them and theyre just defending themselves but in the west the narrative kind of conflicts itself cause they support ukraine and israel.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
This is somehow controversial, but I firmly believe that all of them, Ukraine, Palestine, Israel, Iran, everyone else, deserves an independent nation free of totalitarian dictators or religious fundamentalists.
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
I agree that ethnostates are required today because its the only way to protect a group of people. Ideally ethnostates wouldnt have to be a thing. With how things are now, i think israel should also exist, its absolutely stupid to propose it be removed cause then you have the problem of a bunch of jews having nowhere to go again, and also a lot of the people there have never known a different home than israel. On the other hand they should be sanctioned and stopped from commiting constant warcrimes and palestinians live their lives in their rightful territory. The russia situation is a bit different. Theres no real reason for its existance. Its a bunch of russians opressing minorities, they should have their own country if were following the ethnostate idea. At very least european and asian russia should be seperate countries. But yeah thats never happening.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
i think israel should also exist, its absolutely stupid to propose it be removed cause then you have the problem of a bunch of jews having nowhere to go again
And, more importantly, you lose the moral ground on which you get to protest the Palestinian genocide when you’re advocating for Israeli genocide.
(“you” here is “a person”, not you, @AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip)
On the other hand they should be sanctioned and stopped from commiting constant warcrimes and palestinians live their lives in their rightful territory
Absolutely agree. UN forces should secure the borders (as they were originally defined) and consider any settler a terrorist.
The russia situation is a bit different. Theres no real reason for its existance. Its a bunch of russians opressing minorities, they should have their own country if were following the ethnostate idea. At very least european and asian russia should be seperate countries. But yeah thats never happening.
Yup. I kind of hope that their economy crashing will allow the eastern provinces to reach independence, but at the same time I realise that it would be suicide for them. Like, even if they somehow managed to get the money and food to supply and govern themselves, there’s no reality in which China doesn’t immediately swoop in and grab half of Siberia.
Peehole@piefed.social 6 hours ago
Fuck Israel as a whole too why just Netanyahu?
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 6 hours ago
Like 78% of Israel.
Peehole@piefed.social 6 hours ago
Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 6 hours ago
What choice is there?
The large majority of them were born and raised there, and a lot of them truly want peace and prosperity. If their democracy were functioning well then cruel people like Netanyahu would not be able to cling to power for so long, and especially not after his trials.
To ask every Israeli to leave or die is not different than the gaza genocide.
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Israel is a colonist entity just like the USA, Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Argentina, Brazil, etc etc. When the original Israelites arrived there thousands of years ago they colonised it and drove out whoever was there first, they were then driven out by the Arabs who were driven out by the Ottomans who were driven out by the British, who ceded it to the Arabs and Jews who will likely both get invaded by the Turks to “restore peace”. It’s a cursed piece of land. But, you can’t remove it, because the Israelis have hidden a bunch of nukes all around the world as an insurance policy.
flandish@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
fuck all govs. fuck israel separately because it’s not a real country.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 6 hours ago
Opposing all governments topples none of them.
kilgore_trout@feddit.it 4 hours ago
You are crazy.
MTZ@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I absolutely and unequivocally side with Palestine (half of my family is Palestinian) and Ukraine.
It’s jokes. It’s a shitposting group. I shitposted.
I do not stand with Russia or Israel. Both of those regimes go against everything that means basically anything to me. They are evil, along with the USA, which I live in unfortunately.
Yliaster@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I’m glad I’m finally seeing someone else that’s actually both pro-palestine AND pro-ukraine for once. It’s usually mutually exclusive — I don’t understand why. Literally every single pro-palestine person I’ve seen otherwise has been pretty vocally anti-Ukraine.