Comment on Gaming market melts down after Google reveals new AI game design tool — Project Genie crashes stocks. (A.K.A . Investors panic because they don't understand what "real" videogames are)

Apeman42@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This will never be widely accepted in the gaming space because it’s not a game. The model only generates an interactive world, not a game world. It’s effectively a glorified AI prompted showroom. It’s useless as a development tool because nothing it generates is usable in the traditional development process which means the model would have to create the whole game but the model is incapable of understanding what a game is.

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  • WereCat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So… it’s as good as Starfield then

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    • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Even better, it’s Starfield but your character is moving in 4D space and things pop in and out of existence depending on your position in the 4D space. And of course no loading screens.

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  • Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s all it does so far.

    But I doubt AI games will succeed, people are always going to want the human touch when it comes to art.

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    • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s all it does so far.

      Isn’t that the AI hype in a nutshell? “It’s all it does right now but if you add insert hopes and dreams it’s going to revolutionize X”.

      I mean, human touch will play a role but I think the tech overall just nowhere near where it should be to make games. It would actually need to understand what it is doing because there needs to be some intentionality there. Something as simple as a counter going up when you kill an enemy, but I think even that goes beyond what current models are even remotely capable. They would be capable of imitating a counter for some timeframe but to actually keep track of it over a long gaming session? I have my doubts.

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      • MrFinnbean@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They would be capable of imitating a counter for some timeframe but to actually keep track of it over a long gaming session?

        The article was little light on the details, but if the whole game is run on ai thats what is going to happen. But if AI is creating real code and the game it creates has real files that are saved on the computer, things like point counters are not anymore tied by the limits of AI’s memory.

        But i just dont see how AI in its current state could make large cohesive projects.

        Also there is no such thing as artificial intellect. AI is just nice marketing word for something that tries to mimic what real AI would be.

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    • UnspecificGravity@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Given that what it “does so far” already required the theft of the sum total of human creativity available online and the sacrifice of the survivability of humanity due to climate change, kinda seems like there isn’t much else to wring out of this.

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    • ieGod@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There will be a demand but I wouldn’t bet on that demand being the most popular.

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  • agentTeiko@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah this is more investors being stupid. Hell this would be impact VFX and Architects but the logic they are using. The whole thing is a cool demo but little real world application like like with most genAI.

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  • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So it’s like the Meta-verse, but somehow even worse.

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  • ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    As a dedicated fan of walking simulators I can already see the amount of shovelware we need to dig through to find the good stuff multiplying by orders of magnitude.

    It’s been a year since I played INFRA and I’ve thought about it without fail at least once a week and it damn well isn’t because they haphazardly made boring environments.

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    • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well that’s something I didn’t think about before. How would you even release an AI game? It’s just a prompt and the rest is a black box.

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      • ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The companies that market machine learning tools to investors and the masses have not been set up by people who believe art has value. Everything is content, and content exists to be aggregated alongside advertisements or displayed for a fee.

        I genuinely hate that actual artists can’t use a lot of pretty neat novel digital levers to make stuff. Because it’s synonymous with garbage. The ability to leap across the uncanny valley has lost all novelty and is downright banal now.

        But the answer to your question is the same as every desperate attempt at getting a “good” use case for slop generators. It’s for cranking out low effort trash.

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  • sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Its a step in that direction though

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    • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There were also steps in the NFT games direction. Steps in some direction doesn’t mean those steps will lead to somewhere.

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      • sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Very different things.

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  • Limerance@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s good enough for shovelware alredy.

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    • Postimo@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Examples? This article describes “a 60-second interactive world”. How can this even compete with trash tier roblox games?

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• Fecundpossum@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This. My bad log of physical DS and 3ds games is extensive and grows a little every time I remember I have the eBay app on my phone. Sorry wallet.

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  • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    3ds and DS cartridges both have a limited lifespan and are likely to experience save failure as the years pile on - have you considered hacking your 3ds and getting a flashcart for DS games?

    (You also won’t be giving money to scalpers on ebay)

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    • Fecundpossum@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      1. Selling games from 10-20 years ago isn’t scalping.

      2. I have 15 Nintendo handhelds on my last count. 2 of the 3ds are modded.

      3. I have a pretty sizable collection and I’ve not had a game die on me yet, aside from save batteries that I’m capable of changing. I know the games can eventually die, I know it’s on the horizon, but they all still work for now, and I think even after they die I’ll enjoy the memories that the physical media provided me.

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      • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        1. Retro games can totally on the market for completely unreasonable prices, look at any of the NDS pokemon games for a quick point of reference - especially insulting compared to the ease of using a flashcart.
        2. Damn, you’re one of those hardcore collectors. I’m just the kind of person that bought a 3ds for the unique hardware layout and emulate the rest of Nintendo’s handhelds on my Steam Deck, but different strokes I guess.
        3. The 3DS carts I believe are the most prone to failure - most of what I read comes from the Animal Crossing and Pokemon communities (probably due to their dedicated fanbases), so that’d be the primary concern. Considering you can regularly rip your carts using a modded 3DS, staying ahead of it would probably be wise (I’m not hatin’ on the collection, but even diehard physical media collectors should rip their copies for safety).

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  • DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If can grow more if you know the way of Luma CFW and Twilight Menu ++

    …, much, much more

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• bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Literally millions (billions?) of amazing games made before 2018 are waiting to be played! I wonder if future gamers will shun the 2020 era of gaming like the disco era

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• ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You just described why it won’t be widely adopted.

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• BurgerBaron@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ll still buy from principled indie devs any day any year. There may be more old games than anyone could play in a single lifetime but let’s be real most aren’t good.

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• atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  indie developers will still be making games

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• fyrilsol@kbin.melroy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Same. I have spent years building my game libraries just for stupid shit like this.

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• zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I just bought Stardew Valley. Should I feel bad now?

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  • RebekahWSD@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No, you should be playing Stardew Valley though!

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• UnspecificGravity@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The problem with this, and most other “ai products” isn’t just that they are immortal attacks in human labor and and intellectual property, they also simply don’t work.

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• thingsiplay@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I also have probably emulators for approx. 90 consoles / systems and have full set of games for most… Even if no game is produced anymore, we can buy current gen PC and console games, including Switch and Steam. In addition to emulation of older systems. And then there is the modding scene… with never ending content for out beloved games, even remasters from fans.

  If the gaming industry goes wild, then I have no fear of missing out. And there are enough games (even to buy) that will serve me for the rest of my life.

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