Comment on Mamdani to kill the NYC AI chatbot caught telling businesses to break the law— New York mayor says terminating the ‘unusable’ bot will help close a budget gap

• Schmoo@slrpnk.net ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  They don’t like electoralism, prefer to LARP revolution while doing nothing to actually lay the groundwork for one.

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  • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Which is sort of wild.

    Marx was very clear that communism could not be delivered by heroes on horseback. But then again, Tankies don’t like Marx, they like Lenin, the man who lost an election to actual communists and then had them all killed. He seized power via coup, and then made himself a king, and wrote how kings (vanguard parties) were somehow vital to communism, and how democracy was not.

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    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      “If your last name ends in ‘in’, it’s time to get out.”

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      • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Hey, I recognised that reference.

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  • HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Tankies are chicken-hawks.

    They gladly let millions of marginalized peoples suffer and die for a pipedream that those people will fight a communist revolution… on the tankies’ behalf.

    Tankies won’t ever be the ones on the front line. They spam fuck comment sections and try to convince as many people as possible to act against their own self interests, to put them in a desperate enough state that the tankoes can more easily manipulate them.

    Tankies aren’t communists, they’re red fascists. Same abuser mentality as the fascists they so gleefully surrendered to in November 2024.

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    • postpunkmusic@musician.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      @HazardousBanjo

      @Schmoo

      So are tankies accelerationists or sellouts? You weirdos need to get your story straight

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      • Schmoo@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’ve looked through the whole thread again and I don’t know where you’re getting the idea anyone’s accusing tankies of being sellouts. Best I can guess is that you misinterpreted the comment immediately above yours as saying tankies are secretly supporting the current fascist regime, is that it?

        That’s not what they’re saying, they meant that tankies (I would clarify that it’s the chronically online tankies that are like this) want other people to fight the revolution for them, and won’t lift a single finger themselves until they can be sure that victory is inevitable. This is because they see themselves as the vanguard that tells everyone else what to do and how to do it, and will be put in charge after the revolution. That’s why people call them red fascists (though I don’t like that term myself as I don’t think they should be conflated with actual fascists, it hinders understanding), they want to be in the fascists’ place so they can use the systems of power and control that they built towards a different end (changing the economic system).

        A previous person I talked to on lemmy.ml not long ago illustrated this mindset well, saying that authoritarianism is only a buzzword made up by the west to demonize their enemies, that it’s just people exercising power, and that it’s good when communists do it. Here’s what I see wrong with this: the tools of a fascist state are purpose-built for oppression, and trying to use them for anything else is futile. You will be corrupted by their power. We should not be trying to take and use these tools, but dismantling them and creating our own which are purpose-built for liberation.

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      • sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Neither, because that would actually require praxis.

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      • HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Spotted the tankie. Cope and seethe harder.

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      • edible_funk@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Both. They’re the intellectual equivalent and ideological opposite of libertarians with equally internally inconsistent views.

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• BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  One thing I’ve learned as a socialist is that there is always a purity test by people who consider themselves purer socialists.

  Karl Marx himself could post on here and people would accuse him of being a neoliberal stooge.

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• wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Tankies don’t like anyone, they’ll never be satisfied. I’m fairly certain most of them are russian trolls tasked with sowing discord and fracturing the left.

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  • teslekova@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Excuse me, we’re Chinese trolls, thanks very much; we are unhealthily obsessed with China because it’s incredibly economically successful, it’s the last hope of actual oldschool dictatorship of the worker socialism, and it’s barely avoided being controlled by the market.

    It’s incredibly centralised, it’s authoritarian, yes, but it’s also building all the solar panels and executing billionaires when they get too powerful and making the imperial nations look like chumps, so you should forgive us for our infatuation.

    My lack of action and lack of building local organisation? Guilty. I’m trying to correct this. China is not the model for the West, and even the Chinese govt says that, so as a true Chinahead I do not call for Chad Xi to come save us, that is missing the fucking point. We must grow our own socialist organisations to bypass the state, and anarchists and syndicalists might be the best idea for the West, with our individualism and love of freedom.

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  • postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you omit the word Russian, I think you just described the entirity of the current reddit user base.

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    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You’d be surprised. I read about a time when there was a power outage in moscow, and for the span of a few hours there were hardly any trolls active on reddit

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• sudo@programming.dev ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Historically, a socialist holding an elected executive position of a capitalist government is a precarious position fraught with contradictions. You can only meaningfully govern by making massive concessions to the ruling class and betraying some supporters. Communists will stake out the “he will betray you” position.

  FWIW the Mamdani administration is very aware of this contradiction and deliberately made promises that he can do by decree, such as the rent freeze. But there’s also been some rather heinous concessions, like keeping on a bunch of Zionists in the admin, and also keeping on the NYPD commissioner Jessica Tisch.

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• FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’ve been accused of being a tankie, and I think he’s great. But obviously the McCarthyites of Lemmy would rather create a straw man than listen to anything a red has to say.

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  • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you’re comparing shitting on tankies to McCarthyism, you might be a tankie.

    Lots of people on the left hate tankies, because tankies are more fascist than leftist in praxis. McCarthyism basically accuses anyone with a remotely left-wing opinion as being as bad as a tankie, which is a strawman.

    Tankies have more in common with McCarthyism than they’re willing to admit. That’s called horseshoe politics.

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    • Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I would swap fascism with authoritarianism or totalitarianism. To equal the left and right wing in any kind always sounds like horseshoe theory. But apart from that you are right.

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    • mattyroses@lemmy.today ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You don’t know what fascism is, apparently.

      As for horseshoe nonsense . . .Image

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      • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I know precisely what fascism is, and the dumbfuck tankies accusing Mamdani of it are absolutely wrong.

        I said they’re the same in praxis, not ideology. You’d think a fucking leftist would understand the difference.

        And your picture is kind of a strawman in this context, because I wasn’t using “horseshoe politics” to describe phenomena of the abolition era. I was using it to describe phenomena of the current era where the contexts are different. But since tankies are allergic to nuance, I don’t suppose you’ll be comprehend that and you’ll probably just resort to ad hominems.

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    • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Fascist tankies? Tell me you’ve huffed capitalist propaganda without telling me you’ve huffed capitalist propaganda. Y’all are miseducated af

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      • sbbq@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Capitalists could not give a fuck less about tankies, what they think, what they are doing. These people basically only exist on Internet forums and have zero effect on anyone outside of their bubble.

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      • postpunkmusic@musician.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        @FlyingCircus

        @wonderingwanderer

        It's wild innit? This whole section of children jawing about adult topics while chewing capitalist bubblegum.

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      • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Fuck off, tankie.

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Tankie does not equal any communist. People are fine with listening to communists, it’s MLs they draw the line at.

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    • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I am an ML as are most communists.

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      • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yes that’s obvious when you said you were called a tankie.

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      • nforminvasion@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        How does a system that requires a stateless society appeal to hierarchists like tankies?

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    False accusations mean nothing.

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• bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’d say they’re skeptical that Mamdani will keep to his promises or that electing him isn’t enough. But dislike? I bet every one would’ve voted for him.

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  • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Assuming they vote at all and don’t think the best way to show your dissatisfaction is to stay home and complain on the Internet

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  • Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They can’t vote. They’re either not American or they’re bots.

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    • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I believe enough of them are American and Lemmy is a dumb place to create a bot army.

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