They were sued by Epic Games for the same shit and Epic won on one count which allows them to put links to alternative payment methods and go around Apple.
Comment on Apple to Soon Take Up to 30% Cut From All Patreon Creators in iOS App
dan@upvote.au 2 weeks ago
Why does Apple feel they deserve a 30% cut? In cases like this, Apple aren’t providing any value at all.
Kirp123@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So couldn’t patreon just argue in court that this precedent was already set with epic?
Kirp123@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m not a lawyer but I think they could.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
They provide the payment system. They also mandate it.
If you subscribe on the website you don’t have to pay the extra. It’s only for subscriptions initiated via the app
tabular@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
An app you can only get via the Apple store, mandated by Apple?
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
You can make the subscription through the website on the phone just as well and not pay the cut to apple.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Most likely the app exists just because people don’t know how to type patreon.com into the browser anymore
Full functionality is available on the web AFAIK. And if you subscribe on the web, there’s no Apple cut, but you can still use the app to see said content.
It’s an inconvenience, but a super easy one to get past and not exclusive to Patreon so a trick any Apple users should know anyway if they enjoy paying subscriptions for things (Netflix, Spotify, whatever)
tabular@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I too assume the Patreon App doesn’t do anything that cannot be done on their web page. I can imagine there good dev reasons but also bad incentives to make it an app.
I am biased against Apple as I like being the on in control of my hardware/software… but is it a stretch to say Apple influence their users to use apps instead of webpages (so they can rentseek a cut)?
Dojan@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Yeah. But why would you use the app? I personally didn’t know there even was an app.
tabular@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Maybe it offers something better than on whatever web browser Apple mandates, or maybe no reason but user preference.
hayvan@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Deserving is irrelevant under Capitalism. It’s only whether they can get away with it or not?
willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
And fixing this problem is going to require a similar attitude from the people tired of this.
sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 2 weeks ago
We have a winner
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because apple is a “premium” product, so you have to pay a “premium” fee for normal stuff so it feels like you’re using “premium” services
dan@upvote.au 2 weeks ago
But you’re getting literally the same Patreon content.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But you’re paying more, so it’s “premium” content, clearly.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
gotta get the money to bribe trump somehow
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Just pass on the cost of the corruption to the consumer, as usual. It’s the Corruption Tax.
Postimo@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Where else would it come from? 🤷♂️
vogi@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
This sums the problem up fairly nicely I think. I do wonder with Apple being a gatekeeper by EUs own definition and unfair sales terms supposed to be history with the Digital Markets Act in place this can’t go through, right?!?! at least not in the EU… assuming they do their job.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is THE way that Apple gets any revenue from the enormous and highly successful app platform and ecosystem they created. They say “go nuts, make money on our platform, but share some with us in exchange for our maintaining that platform.” This is reasonable. Apple is providing a service to Patreon, and access to their use base. That ain’t nothing.
I agree that subjecting creator donations to the 30% is about the shittiest use case for this and I wish they would make an exception. But your post about how Apple is doing absolutely nothing here is garbage.
ieGod@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It’s one way but not the only way. They make money from developers before they even write a single line of code, every year.
dan@upvote.au 2 weeks ago
Apple is doing nothing in this particular case, not in general. There’s cases where the 30% is more justified.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh is there some case where Apple is creati by the content inside the app??? Do tell.
dan@upvote.au 2 weeks ago
I meant more if people wouldn’t have found your app without Apple. In that case, they’re essentially handling marketing for you.
XLE@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Apple also gets money from developers who use their platform already. That should be it.
Apple will already bully small developers off their platform while giving bigger companies first-class treatment.
Taldan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lack of competition. No other app store is allowed to operate on Apple devices. They have a monopoly, which is the only reason they can charge as much as they do
Sure, Apple are providing a payments platform, but why do they deserve 10x what Stripe charges?
I don’t believe that 30% cut includes payment processing. That’s an additional fee
Sad to think about how little creators actually get at the end of the day. Example of a $100 donation/subscription:
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Apple takes 30%
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Card companies take ~4%
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Patreon takes 10%
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Taxes take another big chunk
After all that a the creator would have, what, $40?
dan@upvote.au 2 weeks ago
No other app store is allowed to operate on Apple devices
That’s only true outside of Europe. In the EU, they were forced to allow third-party app stores.
- Card companies take ~4%
- Patreon takes 10%
Does Patreon’s cut not include payment processing?
The other thing that’s ridiculous in the USA is how much credit card processing costs. Stripe is around 3%, while in countries it can be half of that (in Australia, it’s commonly around 1% for debit cards and 1.5% for credit cards).
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artyom@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
It’s not about what they deserve, it’s about what they want.
Gargantuan@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I suspect this has more to do with closing a loophole than going after Patreon and only Patreon.
People don’t have to subscribe through the app. and Patreon don’t have to offer that functionality in the App. Apple don’t have Patreon locked in to their platform.
lofuw@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Why does Apple feel they deserve a 30% cut?
Because they can. Time and time again, useful idiots have proven their dipshittery by sucking off the people taking them for a ride.
A main tenant of business decisions is to fuck over your customers as hard as they’re willing to be fucked. Since nobody has any standards these days, corporations make a killing.
Flagstaff@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
It’s just platform-milking, just like Meetup.com’s latest antics; there isn’t deep analysis needed to everything, haha. “Capitalism” is totally a legitimate answer despite being just one word.
Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
Meetup is now owned by Bending Spoons, who have also enshittified wetransfer, Evernote, eventbrite, AOL, vimeo. They buy decent products that never exploded to ipo status, fire everyone and milk the rest for whatever they can charge.
kautau@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ironic that they named themselves on a plot about breaking out of a cycle of control, classic Palantir or Anduril vibes too of like “haha movies good where stonks”
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Why does one company need to own meetup and eventbrite?
Is that not a monopoly? How does it not violate any anti-trust laws?
blitzen@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
There is one, Mobilizon
JamieDub86@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
You got a link to what meetup has been up to?
Flagstaff@programming.dev 1 week ago
No, but I used to be more active until I saw that they started to increasingly prevent you from talking to other participants, and even seeing who other people are (can’t even tell gender or anything) unless you paid for their higher tier. I literally saw it get added out of the blue after years of no such restrictions, and they’ve only dug deeper and deeper. I couldn’t even connect with someone with whom I met just because I didn’t attempt to get their number immediately on the spot.
JamieDub86@piefed.social 1 week ago
Thank you. I havent used meetup in 10 or so years. Cant remember paid features then. People also had a profile, with a picture, so as you could see interests and groups they were part of, there was also a message board for the group and messaging members wasnt an issue. Sad to see what its become.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I, too, am interested in hearing about these supposed shenanigans.
artyom@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I dunno, I left a couple years ago after they stopped providing .ics, started spamming our members that we were paying for, and then refused to provide us with the emails of our members.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just join a group, and you’ll see. It’s so goddamn scummy and nickel/diming.