They were sued by Epic Games for the same shit and Epic won on one count which allows them to put links to alternative payment methods and go around Apple.
Comment on Apple to Soon Take Up to 30% Cut From All Patreon Creators in iOS App
dan@upvote.au 12 hours ago
Why does Apple feel they deserve a 30% cut? In cases like this, Apple aren’t providing any value at all.
Kirp123@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
So couldn’t patreon just argue in court that this precedent was already set with epic?
Kirp123@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I’m not a lawyer but I think they could.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 12 hours ago
They provide the payment system. They also mandate it.
If you subscribe on the website you don’t have to pay the extra. It’s only for subscriptions initiated via the app
tabular@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
An app you can only get via the Apple store, mandated by Apple?
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 hours ago
You can make the subscription through the website on the phone just as well and not pay the cut to apple.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
Most likely the app exists just because people don’t know how to type patreon.com into the browser anymore
Full functionality is available on the web AFAIK. And if you subscribe on the web, there’s no Apple cut, but you can still use the app to see said content.
It’s an inconvenience, but a super easy one to get past and not exclusive to Patreon so a trick any Apple users should know anyway if they enjoy paying subscriptions for things (Netflix, Spotify, whatever)
tabular@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I too assume the Patreon App doesn’t do anything that cannot be done on their web page. I can imagine there good dev reasons but also bad incentives to make it an app.
I am biased against Apple as I like being the on in control of my hardware/software… but is it a stretch to say Apple influence their users to use apps instead of webpages (so they can rentseek a cut)?
Dojan@pawb.social 11 hours ago
Yeah. But why would you use the app? I personally didn’t know there even was an app.
tabular@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Maybe it offers something better than on whatever web browser Apple mandates, or maybe no reason but user preference.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Because apple is a “premium” product, so you have to pay a “premium” fee for normal stuff so it feels like you’re using “premium” services
hayvan@piefed.world 9 hours ago
Deserving is irrelevant under Capitalism. It’s only whether they can get away with it or not?
sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 2 hours ago
We have a winner
willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
And fixing this problem is going to require a similar attitude from the people tired of this.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 hours ago
gotta get the money to bribe trump somehow
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
Just pass on the cost of the corruption to the consumer, as usual. It’s the Corruption Tax.
Postimo@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
Where else would it come from? 🤷♂️
XLE@piefed.social 7 hours ago
Apple also gets money from developers who use their platform already. That should be it.
Apple will already bully small developers off their platform while giving bigger companies first-class treatment.
vogi@piefed.social 12 hours ago
This sums the problem up fairly nicely I think. I do wonder with Apple being a gatekeeper by EUs own definition and unfair sales terms supposed to be history with the Digital Markets Act in place this can’t go through, right?!?! at least not in the EU… assuming they do their job.
artyom@piefed.social 7 hours ago
It’s not about what they deserve, it’s about what they want.
Gargantuan@piefed.social 10 hours ago
I suspect this has more to do with closing a loophole than going after Patreon and only Patreon.
People don’t have to subscribe through the app. and Patreon don’t have to offer that functionality in the App. Apple don’t have Patreon locked in to their platform.
Flagstaff@programming.dev 12 hours ago
It’s just platform-milking, just like Meetup.com’s latest antics; there isn’t deep analysis needed to everything, haha. “Capitalism” is totally a legitimate answer despite being just one word.
Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 10 hours ago
Meetup is now owned by Bending Spoons, who have also enshittified wetransfer, Evernote, eventbrite, AOL, vimeo. They buy decent products that never exploded to ipo status, fire everyone and milk the rest for whatever they can charge.
kautau@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Ironic that they named themselves on a plot about breaking out of a cycle of control, classic Palantir or Anduril vibes too of like “haha movies good where stonks”
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 5 hours ago
Why does one company need to own meetup and eventbrite?
Is that not a monopoly? How does it not violate any anti-trust laws?
blitzen@lemmy.ca 4 hours ago
There is one, Mobilizon
JamieDub86@piefed.social 11 hours ago
You got a link to what meetup has been up to?
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 59 minutes ago
Just join a group, and you’ll see. It’s so goddamn scummy and nickel/diming.
artyom@piefed.social 7 hours ago
I dunno, I left a couple years ago after they stopped providing .ics, started spamming our members that we were paying for, and then refused to provide us with the emails of our members.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I, too, am interested in hearing about these supposed shenanigans.