What about shipping an adaptor? DP to HDMI for the transition?
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turbowafflz@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Console manufacturers all just need to switch to displayport to encourage tv manufacturers to do the same. No one’s going to not buy a ps6 or steam machine because they have to use a little dp-hdmi adapter, but they might be a little more likely to choose a tv that doesn’t need an adapter over one that does
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 5 days ago
dovahking@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Phone companies succeeded in killing 3.5mm audio port with that strategy. So why not, for once, use it for a good cause?
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 days ago
Good point!
halloween_spookster@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I agree with the sentiment but we’re dealing with a chicken and egg problem. If no TVs have DisplayPort, who would buy a console that can’t be used with their TV?
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
TVs are starting to come with DisplayPort already in the form of USB C alt mode.
rubdos@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
Not really. Both could start shipping both connectors, except if I’m unaware of some licensing issue over that?
halloween_spookster@lemmy.world 5 days ago
If I’m a TV manufacturer, I have less incentive to have both connector types because it increases cost and complexity while only appealing to a very small subset of users. It will take leadership at those companies to take a bit of a leap of faith that the effort is valuable as a long term plan because it will take other manufacturers to make the ecosystem. Couple that with the fact that leadership at companies tend to not be enthusiasts or technically inclined and it makes it difficult, but not impossible. I really hope we can move electronics towards DisplayPort just so it’s an open standard instead of the HDMI for-profit model.
pivot_root@lemmy.world 5 days ago
As long as the manufacturers are competing against each other, that’s never going to happen.
The “gamer” consumer demographic has some of the most whiny, entitled vocal minorities. They’re going to endlessly complain about the next generation of console needing a special cable/dongle to connect to their TV, one of the manufacturers are going to fold, and then the other one is going to walk back the lack of HDMI because they don’t want to lose sales to their competitor.
Pistcow@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I mean we don’t use coax/channel 3 any longer. Just do it.
pivot_root@lemmy.world 5 days ago
That was something they could actually market to the consumer as a necessary upgrade, though.
- “Sure, you need a new cable, but component video has cleaner edges and less color bleeding.”
- “Sure, you need a new cable, but HDMI has better resolution and no fuzziness.”
Going from HDMI 2.1 to DisplayPort 2.1a doesn’t offer anything other than higher bandwidth, and not even high-end PCs are capable of pushing resolutions at high enough framerates for that bandwidth to have been the limiting factor for games.
Even though DisplayPort is objectively better than HDMI, the optics of replacing HDMI on consumer devices that are meant to be connected to TVs isn’t good. It will come across to consumers as an unnecessary, arbitrary change meant to push their TVs towards planned obsolescence.
They’re going to complain about it, the media will pick up on the story and try to turn it into a scandal, and then legislators and regulators will step in and make decisions based on limited understanding of the technical reasons. By that point, one of the console manufacturers will have been pressured into backing down and promise to keep HDMI in their next-gen console, and the other ones will have followed suit because they don’t want to lose sales over it.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Well how do YOU connect your NES up to your TV then???
bilb@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
I have actually been looking at modding an NES with HDMI (and other goodies) as a small project. There are various kits out there.
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 5 days ago
Ah, the Apple strategy of forcing a standard.
watson@lemmy.world 5 days ago
You’re thinking of firewire, and that was not proprietary. Sony came up with that. I had a mini disc player with a firewire port. And thunderbolt, which is what they use now, is an evolution on firewire made by Apple, Sony, and Intel.
Asmodeus_Krang@infosec.pub 5 days ago
Got a Firewire port on my PS2. The only thing I’ve ever owned with Firewire and I never even used it.
watson@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I have an old iMac that I use as a Plex server, and it has a fire wire 800 port and a thunderbolt, one port, both of which I use for a couple of very old external drive enclosures. Sure as hell beats USB 2.0.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
I always wanted a way to use that jack, still have no clue what it was for
Gerudo@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
The first time I ever used a firewire port, I thought it was black magic compared to usb. It was INSANELY faster and super consistent speed. It was the same level of wow as the first time I used an SSD vs HDD.
watson@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Compared to the top speed of USB 2.0, fire wire 400 wasn’t actually faster in that regard, but here’s where the true performance came in to play, and how thunderbolt also has this amazing feature:
When usb connections begin to data transfer, they started at 0 kg a bit, a second and then speed up to the maximum transfer rate. Then it slows down before completion. FireWire (and is successor, Thunderbolt) maintain a consistent data transfer speed. It begins at that transfer rate, and ends at that transfer rate. This is especially good if you’re moving around a large amount of small files.
Also, fire wire 400 already beat out USB 2.0 382 Mb per second transfer rate. Firework 800 more than doubled it, and thunderbolt one started at 1.5 GB a second. We’re at thunderbolt five now, and I stopped keeping track of the data rates because they were so blazingly fast.
One drawback, however, is that firewire cables, and subsequently thunderbolt cables, are both extremely expensive and not very durable. They contain a lot more twisted copper wires, and tend to wear out faster. USB cables are nearly indestructible.
Additionally, firewire (and thunderbolt) are also a networking protocol. You can create an ad-hoc LAN just with firewire or thunderbolt cable cables. This is natively built into macOS, but, on Linux, it requires some sorcery to make it work. With a Mac, and an emergency, you can boot your Mac with a damaged hard to drive remote remotely from another functional Mac just by using a thunderbolt cable (or a firewire cable). It’s a neat trick, and has saved my ass more times than I can count.
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 5 days ago
I was thinking of the 30 Pin Dock Connector, which was proprietary, but it looks like it used both FireWire and USB protocols.
Obviously Apple is known for propagating FireWire too.
watson@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Leave it to me to only consider the male end of the connector 😜
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
No, youngin’ they’re talking about USB. The original iMac was USB-only specifically to force the adoption of USB keyboards and mice.
watson@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Not their proprietary (what was the old iPod connector called?) or lightning BS.
This is what I was responding to.
And I’m in my 40s. I’m not a “youngin’”.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
Sony would probably create a proprietary standard before they’d switch to displayport.