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safesyrup@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  From what I’ve pieced together, it’s a guy from a MAGA family that was recently radicalized, possibly in college towards left-wingism. There’s not that much evidence to suggest he was a far-righter himself (the groyper claims are literally just “yeah the engravings are a dogwhistle trust me bro” but many libs here are buying it), and now it’s just turning into a war of push from both sides being like “no it’s not OUR guy it’s YOUR guy!”.

  In other words, it’s impossible to tell for certain due to how deliberately muddied the waters are by everyone.

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  • 5C5C5C@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There’s equal evidence for the groyper claim as there is for the trans roommate claim, which is to say nothing but hearsay being pushed out by the Governor of Utah.

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  • MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    MAGA was screaming that it was a radical leftist without ANY evidence… They are just looking for an excuse to justify using force against political opponents

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  • AndiHutch@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    He went to UVU one semester and then left and went to trade school as an electrical apprentice. I highly doubt he got radicalized at college in Utah. He was already radicalized by his parents and family in the MAGA / Mormon spheres. It takes longer than a semester to deconstruct cult level beliefs like that. There is very little to any evidence that his roommate is trans. It is all hearsay picked up from places like 4-chan then spread to right-wing rags then spread to right wing politicans. A big loooong game of telephone. It isn’t even clear he lived there at the time of the shooting. The Daily Mail said he lives with his family in a $600,000 six-bedroom home.

    The reason the trans - fan fic is getting spread by right-wingers is that the federal authorities are using it to get jurisdiction from the state since that could make it classify as a hate crime. Even if the roommate is trans that doesn’t mean they aren’t a right-wing trans person. Trans people can have shitty views just like any other group of people.

    It doesn’t help that the FBI and news outlets are releasing different info to different news audiences to muddy the waters. Just the meta-data of this being the 3rd trans related storyline being pushed does not inspire confidence in it’s veracity. The first TRN one was debunked and retracted, but then they claim the engravings point to trans- ideology when that isn’t really apparent. Then they come up with another one. Sorry, not buying right-wingers making shit up to blame it on trans people.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Hold on… A hate crime? Jesus fucking Christ. Being a fascist asshole is 100% a choice. And their entire existence is a fucking hate crime.

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      • bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        The Trump regime doesn’t want a local jury of Mormon peers, they want to execute him federally and have control of the trial so that inconvenient information doesn’t come out.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If this kid had been “radicalized towards left-wingism” in any way, the media would be all over it and we wouldn’t be hearing the end of it.

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    • Jaysyn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Ding ding ding ding.

      When you hear that he’s “not cooperating” today, that means the regime can’t convince him to tell everyone he’s really a liberal.

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• Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This is one of the biggest problems with our current state of polarization: we’re quick to box people into a binary; either “red” or “blue,” “left” or “right.”

  Real people rarely fit neatly into those categories. When you take the time to actually map out someone’s beliefs, experiences, and values, what you find almost never looks like a solid block of one color. Instead, it’s more like a mosaic: someone might lean conservative on economic issues, progressive on social ones, independent when it comes to foreign policy, and undecided on others.

  Reducing all of that complexity down to a single partisan label is not only misleading, it also fuels division. It makes it harder to have real conversations, because instead of engaging with the full person (their reasoning, contradictions, and growth), we engage with a caricature. Recognizing that most people carry a mix of beliefs forces us to slow down, listen, and resist the urge to collapse identities into overly simple categories.

  The challenge is that this feels counterintuitive, especially for people who haven’t examined why they hold the views they do. It’s easier, and often more comforting, to inherit an identity or adopt a team than it is to wrestle with contradictions and gray areas. But when we refuse that deeper work, we not only misunderstand others, we also misunderstand ourselves.

  In other words, the messiness is the point. People are complicated, and when we acknowledge that, we create more space for dialogue, empathy, and genuine understanding; the very things that binary polarization squeezes out.

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  • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Is there a way to interact with this quiz that doesn’t involve me giving the NYT a dollar?

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  • safesyrup@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Very well said, this is how i think as well. Here in switzerland it is exactly the same even though we have 5 major parties to choose from. This is also why direct democracy in switzerland is so amazing. You choose people that represent the parliment in parties while you still can vote different in referendums than your chosen party does.

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• FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  From what I’ve heard, he was from a right wing family but there are conflicting reports on whether he himself was right wing

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  • Krauerking@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Probably a libertarian. Non party affiliated has been growing as people arent into fascist Republicans vs fiscal conservative policy and they dont want to be a Democrat in those states.

    I know we have this, you are one party of the other thing but i think the “others” is gonna get bigger as a group and already has.

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  • safesyrup@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    This is what i read as well. While not likely, it is totally possible he is not right wing

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    • FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      He was apparently dating a transgender person. That doesn’t necessarily make him left wing, but it means that in regards to transgender people, he probably didn’t fully agree with the right wing

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      • safesyrup@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Not all right wingers are against trans people. I‘d be surprised if ecen 50% are

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• Asafum@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I think “we’re” going to end up with a lot of egg on our faces the more they investigate. I believe his parents have already told the authorities that “he’s been getting more into left wing ideology in the recent years” so I’m pretty sure its just a matter of time before it’s “proven.”

  The only thing people have to go off of now is some tenuous connection to Nick Fuentes that doesn’t seem too solid.

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  • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This kids was different. He is not one of us! /S

    What was fucking hilarious was the governor got on to reassure all Utahns that he was not like his parents, community, or state when he is clearly is.

    Your musings don’t matter he has already been branded by the liars as a leftist and your just here to sweep up after them like a good lackey.

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    • Asafum@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Why the hell would I want to “sweet up” after them. I even used the term “we’re” to distinguish the fact that I’m not a right winger. I’m simply trying to stick to the only facts we have, I’m not letting what I want to be real get in the way of what reality seems to be.

      I’m one of the last people who wants this to be a left wing guy, but I also won’t plug my ears and choose to believe something that might not be true based on some loose connections.

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      • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Where did you see he was turning left? Given his background with groupers, he’s got Internet brain rot and is trying to play lefty while doing what he did for the reasons stated are hardcore radical right.

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      • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Sweep up is a reference to cleaning up.

        It doesn’t matter what you think or even I think. They already branded him as leftist. They are already attacking innocent people with political violence like the terrorists they are.

        The reality is he was raised conservative in a conservative religion, in a conservative family, in a conservative town, and in a conservative state. He is one of them. They know this, I know this, but you seem confused.

        They have a name for this and it is useful idiot.

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• ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  His family and city was, but it pretty likely seems he was not. Hard to be a republican if you’re living with (and allegedly dating) a trans.

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  • onslaught545@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It was only for one semester. And you’d be surprised how many white supremacists have had relationships with non-whites.

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    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, but most don’t live with one.

      He also seemed to want others to be helped and didn’t register as a Republican voter, or actually vote (though he was registered to do so).

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• ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I am a big time left wing guy and I love guns. Of course I believe in gun control, but I do not believe in most gun bans.

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  • safesyrup@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Me too. I am left wing and shoot guns weekly. I live in switzerland and it is not a issue at all because there are strict regulations. You cannot aquire an automatic rifle without special permissions.

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