So…if Steam is running in a Flatpak, and Borderlands is launched from Steam, how much can they even see…really?
Lemjukes@lemm.ee 20 hours ago
- Did the EULA change? ✅
- Were all Take Two games automatically updated in secret and now hijack your machine with root access to spy? ❌
- Do Take Two games contain code to report telemetry and user information to a home server? ✅
- Is this EULA change extraordinary and particularly egregious in comparison to others that most people have probably already agreed to? ✅(IMO)
- Are people riled up because e a YouTube video went a little viral and now they’re all playing telephone to the point where it’s now gotten to the point of random dumdums are review booming a 13 year old game claiming it’s turned into literal spyware? ✅(again, IMO)
- Should you be surprised by any of this if you’ve been even remotely paying attention for any period of the last 30-40 years? ❌
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
So…if Steam is running in a Flatpak, and Borderlands is launched from Steam, how much can they even see…really?
Without using exploits to escape the container, not much. A very empty Windows environment with a single game installed, your network interfaces and any directories that the Flatpak has access to (usually just the SteamLibrary directories).
The TOS (www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/) changes are mostly related to data that they collect via their interfacing with Steam and through their website. This idea that they’re requiring you to agree to a root level access or installing a spyware rootkit are just nonsense.
RetroGoblet79@eviltoast.org 14 hours ago
They know I use Linux and that means they know too much
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 11 hours ago
Not a lot. Even when it isn’t a flatpak windows software running on linux won’t be able to interact with the system anywhere near as much as on windows.
They’ll be able to tell it’s linux, though.
domi@lemmy.secnd.me 9 hours ago
You can install an application like Flatseal (flathub.org/apps/com.github.tchx84.Flatseal) to inspect the permissions for a flatpak.
How locked down a flatpak is depends entirely on the developer and what permissions they request. By default, they can’t really see much. For example, they can’t even see the processes running on your host or your user and system files.
Flatpak does not do anything about network access though, it can only do no access or full access, no in between. The data they can collect on Linux in a Flatpak is very limited but it does not prevent them from calling home.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
New to linux…are flatpaks like sandboxed?
Nilz@sopuli.xyz 9 hours ago
They are somewhat isolated but not sandboxed.
iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 10 hours ago
Sort of. They can be, but are not always.
Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Its a bit more than that:
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BlindFrog@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Precise location information? Wtf for?
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
Oh ho!ey, what’s any of it for?
Lemjukes@lemm.ee 18 hours ago
Hyper Localized Advertising. Welcome back o the future :(
Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I just saw an advertisement for a custom T-shirt:
“That’s right, I’m a December dad, who lives at 62a, with size 10 feet and prescription glasses…”
/S
NIB@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
They use the same terms of service for mobile games and they just dont bother to change it for pc games.
BlindFrog@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
This mistake makes sense to make as a mistake. But also, that’s fuckin asinine
Lemjukes@lemm.ee 18 hours ago
A bit more than what? I’ll say it again, if you think this is anything new you haven’t been paying attention. I’m all for calling this fuckery out and pushing for something better. But like where yall been?
Vespair@lemm.ee 10 hours ago
I see this kind of comment before and I will never understand it - “other companies do it so just bend over and let us do it to you too!”
People say this all the time about Denuvo too: “Other games already have Denuvo, why are you crying about it here when you’re playing other games?”
And see, that’s the problem - we aren’t playing those other Denuvo games. And same thing applies here, guess what, a lot of us aren’t buying games from gross companies like EA with these shit terms. So when a company we are doing business with suddenly changes their terms to be shit, that’s a valid complaint. Some of us have already been boycotting bad business practices in the industry, so the idea of company changing terms towards the boycott after we’ve already invested in the game feels like a betrayal because it is.
So maybe stop focusing on what you assume the rest of audience is doing and instead go back to focusing on what the people at the goddamn podium are trying to pull?
Lemjukes@lemm.ee 3 hours ago
Why does everyone insist on adding the ‘so just bend over and take’ part whenever someone points out another source of wrongdoing? Like what do yall always take it to mean that the speaker is implying a whataboutism argument? And not maybe as ‘oh shit this has been going on longer than just this maybe we should learn about that too and we might figure out why it hasn’t been stopped yet.’
emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 hours ago
What point are you trying to make? You say you’re “all for calling this kind of fuckery out” but then you’re criticizing people for calling it out? And who cares what other EULAs might say? The point is that the license agreement for this game and others owned by this company didn’t say this shit before, and now they do. The company is actively making their user agreement more hostile to the users which is what people are pissed about.
Lemjukes@lemm.ee 4 hours ago
That it takes more critical thinking to accomplish the organized action needed for real change than leaving a bunch of negative reviews.
I never once said ‘other company’s do it so just deal with it.’ Fuckawhataboutism. I said “if you think this is new, you haven’t been paying attention.” What I shouldn’t have left unsaid was ‘the review is a nice start and show of intention. but we need a lot more dedicated, well organized action, to actually accomplish a change.’
But people read into things what they want to hear.
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
Let’s ride the wave. Turn this into a huge controversy known industry-wide. Then, next game that comes out with EULA like this, we say “THIS GAME HAS A BORDERLANDS-STYLE EULA”. Pretend it’s new to exploit the shock value and get the gamers riled up. Then, the industry gets better.
Tell the frog that the pot wasn’t always this hot.
Lemjukes@lemm.ee 2 hours ago
Thank you for an actually constructive response. You’ve honestly brought me around a bit with this.
Don_alForno@feddit.org 16 hours ago
Some people will always find an excuse to change nothing.
It doesn’t matter how many similar EULA’s people have already accepted. The best moment to not eat it anymore would have been the first time it happened, the second best time is right now.
Also, retroactively amending an EULA is a different quality, since people have already paid for the game and would be looked out after the fact if they didn’t accept.
Lemjukes@lemm.ee 4 hours ago
I’m sad you read this as an admission of defeat and an attempt to deter others from fighting. Was hoping for more of a ‘you’re late, you have a bunch of homework to catch up on’ vibe but I’m not great at communicating all the time.
Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 16 hours ago
If more folks are waking up and shaking a stick at it or doing something but blindly click through (thus legally unenforceable) EULAs I’m all for it.
Better late than never.
Lemjukes@lemm.ee 2 hours ago
I get that and agree, this is just a crappy and kinda dumb stick to be wasting the energy on because it makes the side opposing the injustice look like petulant children instead of enabling effective action.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
I don’t click thru any EULAs. I see bad EULA - I pirate. Then if it makes any network traffic i just block that shit.