Personally I just want front turn signals to be visible from the opposite side again
Not sure if I read that correctly, but I don’t think this has ever been the case?
Comment on Front Brake Lights Could Drastically Diminish Road Accident Rates
catloaf@lemm.ee 2 days ago
By signaling to oncoming traffic and vehicles approaching from the side, a front brake light provides an essential visual cue that a car is slowing down or preparing to stop. When the light is extinguished, it indicates that a stationary vehicle might initiate movement. According to Tomasch, this visual feedback can significantly truncate the reaction time for other road users, leading to shorter stopping distances and consequently diminishing the likelihood of accidents.
Sounds reasonable. Personally I just want front turn signals to be visible from the opposite side again.
Hubi@feddit.org 2 days ago
catloaf@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I mean when a car is coming at me from a cross street, I want to be able to tell if they’re turning or just an asshole not using their signal. On some cars, the turn signal is mounted so far to the side that if they’re approaching from my right and turning right onto the same street as me, I can’t see that turn signal. Sometimes combined with the roundness of the nose exacerbating the problem.
SaltSong@startrek.website 2 days ago
I think what he wants is the front turn signal to wrap around the front, so I can see the left signal from the right quarter.
I’m not aware that this is not the case, but I don’t know that I would have noticed if it was not.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Isn’t that the case for pretty much everything? Newer cars alternate blinking their headlights and the signal indicator, and even cars w/ the turn signal on the side will have some light bleed through since it’s all one assembly. In the majority of cars, I can see their turn signals when they’re perpendicular to me. The larger issue is that most people in my area don’t bother to use their signals in the first place.
SaltSong@startrek.website 2 days ago
Yea, that’s part of why I don’t know for sure if they make cars the way the guy at the top of this thread is describing.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
i don’t think that was ever required in the US. it is elsewhere though.
SaltSong@startrek.website 2 days ago
Can’t speak to “required.” But I know it used to be done.
Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
I’m pretty sure most cars have a turn signal near the headlights, and one on the mirror or on the side for that use case, no?
Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Actually I think I remember watching a technology connections video about how card in the US can use the headlights as a turn signal, or something like that.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Theres a saying in computer stuff that applies nicely here. PEBKAC, problem exists between keyboard and computer…turn signals have to be turned on, no amount of engineering can fix bad driving.
Gerblat@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Heads up, it’s actually keyboard and chair, not keyboard and computer
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Dang it, sometimes I just type stuff and dont think about what I typed (the irony of what I was writing out)
drbluefall@toast.ooo 2 days ago
I’ve always heard it as “PICNIC”
Problem In Chair, Not In Computer
Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 2 days ago
And never forget about the I-D ten T error.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
ID10T for those who didn’t get it.
HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Level 0 obfuscation error.
Sidhean@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Oh, you think I need a new chair? Will the Internet come back then?
Pika@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
I’ve actually always found it weird with all the automation vehicles have, that blinkers aren’t linked to the wheel. it already automatically disengages when turning, it shouldn’t be too hard to have it auto engage as well when turning
reattach@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The thing is, you want the turn signal to turn on before the start of the turn, so other drivers, pedestrians, cyclists can react.
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I cannot stand how in some vehicles if I turn on the signal to indicate I am planning to change lanes, it will beep at me that there is a car there. I’m indicating I plan on it. Not that I’m turning the wheel right this second. I know there is a car to my side, I’m going to change lanes behind it, but am indicating mostly to the car behind them.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
agreed, I don’t think the blinker switch should be removed, but a late indicator is better than no indicator.
sour@feddit.org 2 days ago
How would you do that so it isn’t ugly as hell and isn’t prone to misunderstanding?
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
what about it is confusing? green = not coming at you so it’s okay to turn left (or whatever).
floo@retrolemmy.com 2 days ago
This wouldn’t really be helpful to those who are colorblind.
Trashboat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Somebody better tell stoplight designers
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
okay, pick a different color then. it’s a solvable problem.
Oneshot@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
sliding light or arrows
sour@feddit.org 1 day ago
How would that work? If you look from the side you suddenly don’t see anything again, or an arrow point forwards or backwards?
If you look from the front, current turn signals work for that already.
Oneshot@discuss.tchncs.de 20 hours ago
sliding lights: it depends on the bulb but i imagine it would easy to see move
arrows: i dont know why you think they would point fowards or backwards they would just towards the side youre on or not
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
< and > for turns. X for brakes.
Honestly, we should focus on functionality rather than aesthetic.
sour@feddit.org 1 day ago
That doesn’t answer the question. The question is how you would design it so you can look at the left side of a car, know that it’s turning right and isn’t prone to misunderstandings.
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Up and down arrows? Up is away from you and down is towards you.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
I’ve seen newer cars turn the headlight off while the turn indicator is on, so you get a sort of double-blink effect.
I don’t see any reason why we can’t just have the whole headlight blink yellow as well with the turn indicator. LEDs are everywhere and can handle changing colors really easily, so it’s not hard to require that for all new cars.
sour@feddit.org 1 day ago
Absolutely, but that doesn’t solve the problem that’s talked about here (seeing the turn signal from the other side of the vehicle). It might be clearer what the turn signal is, but if you look at the right side of a vehicle, you won’t be able to see the left headlight, even when it’s massive.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
When am I ever looking at the side and needing to see the other side’s turn signal? The best I can think of is (using right side driving) a car turning right into my lane of travel as I’m going straight, but I’ll be a bit offset to the left and should be able to see the right headlight. If I can’t, that means the car is angled to the right, making it obvious that they’re turning.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I’ve seen newer cars turn the headlight off while the turn indicator is on, so you get a sort of double-blink effect
Those are typically DRLs. Chrysler did this for a while in the 2000s-2010s (maybe still, idk), where the high beam - in DRL mode - turns off while the turn signal is doing it’s thing. Other manufacturers do this with dedicated DRLs, sometimes integrating the DRLs and turn signals into one multicolored unit (Kia Telluride, for example).
No manufacturer shuts off a headlight for a turn signal when the headlights are intentionally turned on (whether by light sensors at night, or by the driver).
Almacca@aussie.zone 1 day ago
Some of the new Kias have the rear indicators in the bumper. Why are they hiding them?
catloaf@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Because the designers and marketers were given priority over the safety engineers.
Almacca@aussie.zone 1 day ago
And anyone that drives cars ever, apparently.
moakley@lemmy.world 2 days ago
So it sounds like you’re checking to see when the light turns off, to know that the car is going.
Sounds like what we actually need is a green accelerator light on the front of the car.
entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 2 days ago
And also like, used at all.
rollerbang@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Here’s an idea. How about we zap the drivers after they make a turn if they didn’t use a turn signal beforehand? 😀
njordomir@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Can we do this in the same bill as the popup spikes that take out your tires if you stop across the crosswalk? The guided RPGs replacing red light cams can wait a little longer.
xthexder@l.sw0.com 2 days ago
Cars with lane-keep assist with vibrate the steering wheel and beep at you. It’s at least something but I think most people turn it off if it gets annoying
Rexios@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Anyone complaining about lane keep not letting them change lanes or make turns is telling on themselves
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Couldn’t we just use the point system from 5th element? The car noticed you did something illegal and dedicated from your point pool.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Are you sure you want something like that?