Personally I just want front turn signals to be visible from the opposite side again
Not sure if I read that correctly, but I don’t think this has ever been the case?
Comment on Front Brake Lights Could Drastically Diminish Road Accident Rates
catloaf@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
By signaling to oncoming traffic and vehicles approaching from the side, a front brake light provides an essential visual cue that a car is slowing down or preparing to stop. When the light is extinguished, it indicates that a stationary vehicle might initiate movement. According to Tomasch, this visual feedback can significantly truncate the reaction time for other road users, leading to shorter stopping distances and consequently diminishing the likelihood of accidents.
Sounds reasonable. Personally I just want front turn signals to be visible from the opposite side again.
Hubi@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
catloaf@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I mean when a car is coming at me from a cross street, I want to be able to tell if they’re turning or just an asshole not using their signal. On some cars, the turn signal is mounted so far to the side that if they’re approaching from my right and turning right onto the same street as me, I can’t see that turn signal. Sometimes combined with the roundness of the nose exacerbating the problem.
SaltSong@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
I think what he wants is the front turn signal to wrap around the front, so I can see the left signal from the right quarter.
I’m not aware that this is not the case, but I don’t know that I would have noticed if it was not.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Isn’t that the case for pretty much everything? Newer cars alternate blinking their headlights and the signal indicator, and even cars w/ the turn signal on the side will have some light bleed through since it’s all one assembly. In the majority of cars, I can see their turn signals when they’re perpendicular to me. The larger issue is that most people in my area don’t bother to use their signals in the first place.
SaltSong@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
Yea, that’s part of why I don’t know for sure if they make cars the way the guy at the top of this thread is describing.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
i don’t think that was ever required in the US. it is elsewhere though.
SaltSong@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
Can’t speak to “required.” But I know it used to be done.
Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I’m pretty sure most cars have a turn signal near the headlights, and one on the mirror or on the side for that use case, no?
Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Actually I think I remember watching a technology connections video about how card in the US can use the headlights as a turn signal, or something like that.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Theres a saying in computer stuff that applies nicely here. PEBKAC, problem exists between keyboard and computer…turn signals have to be turned on, no amount of engineering can fix bad driving.
Gerblat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Heads up, it’s actually keyboard and chair, not keyboard and computer
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Dang it, sometimes I just type stuff and dont think about what I typed (the irony of what I was writing out)
drbluefall@toast.ooo 3 weeks ago
I’ve always heard it as “PICNIC”
Problem In Chair, Not In Computer
Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
And never forget about the I-D ten T error.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
ID10T for those who didn’t get it.
HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Level 0 obfuscation error.
Sidhean@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oh, you think I need a new chair? Will the Internet come back then?
Pika@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I’ve actually always found it weird with all the automation vehicles have, that blinkers aren’t linked to the wheel. it already automatically disengages when turning, it shouldn’t be too hard to have it auto engage as well when turning
reattach@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The thing is, you want the turn signal to turn on before the start of the turn, so other drivers, pedestrians, cyclists can react.
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I cannot stand how in some vehicles if I turn on the signal to indicate I am planning to change lanes, it will beep at me that there is a car there. I’m indicating I plan on it. Not that I’m turning the wheel right this second. I know there is a car to my side, I’m going to change lanes behind it, but am indicating mostly to the car behind them.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
agreed, I don’t think the blinker switch should be removed, but a late indicator is better than no indicator.
sour@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
How would you do that so it isn’t ugly as hell and isn’t prone to misunderstanding?
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
what about it is confusing? green = not coming at you so it’s okay to turn left (or whatever).
floo@retrolemmy.com 3 weeks ago
This wouldn’t really be helpful to those who are colorblind.
Trashboat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Somebody better tell stoplight designers
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
okay, pick a different color then. it’s a solvable problem.
Oneshot@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
sliding light or arrows
sour@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
How would that work? If you look from the side you suddenly don’t see anything again, or an arrow point forwards or backwards?
If you look from the front, current turn signals work for that already.
Oneshot@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
sliding lights: it depends on the bulb but i imagine it would easy to see move
arrows: i dont know why you think they would point fowards or backwards they would just towards the side youre on or not
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I’ve seen newer cars turn the headlight off while the turn indicator is on, so you get a sort of double-blink effect.
I don’t see any reason why we can’t just have the whole headlight blink yellow as well with the turn indicator. LEDs are everywhere and can handle changing colors really easily, so it’s not hard to require that for all new cars.
sour@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Absolutely, but that doesn’t solve the problem that’s talked about here (seeing the turn signal from the other side of the vehicle). It might be clearer what the turn signal is, but if you look at the right side of a vehicle, you won’t be able to see the left headlight, even when it’s massive.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
When am I ever looking at the side and needing to see the other side’s turn signal? The best I can think of is (using right side driving) a car turning right into my lane of travel as I’m going straight, but I’ll be a bit offset to the left and should be able to see the right headlight. If I can’t, that means the car is angled to the right, making it obvious that they’re turning.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I’ve seen newer cars turn the headlight off while the turn indicator is on, so you get a sort of double-blink effect
Those are typically DRLs. Chrysler did this for a while in the 2000s-2010s (maybe still, idk), where the high beam - in DRL mode - turns off while the turn signal is doing it’s thing. Other manufacturers do this with dedicated DRLs, sometimes integrating the DRLs and turn signals into one multicolored unit (Kia Telluride, for example).
No manufacturer shuts off a headlight for a turn signal when the headlights are intentionally turned on (whether by light sensors at night, or by the driver).
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
< and > for turns. X for brakes.
Honestly, we should focus on functionality rather than aesthetic.
sour@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
That doesn’t answer the question. The question is how you would design it so you can look at the left side of a car, know that it’s turning right and isn’t prone to misunderstandings.
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Up and down arrows? Up is away from you and down is towards you.
Almacca@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
Some of the new Kias have the rear indicators in the bumper. Why are they hiding them?
catloaf@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Because the designers and marketers were given priority over the safety engineers.
Almacca@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
And anyone that drives cars ever, apparently.
moakley@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So it sounds like you’re checking to see when the light turns off, to know that the car is going.
Sounds like what we actually need is a green accelerator light on the front of the car.
entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
And also like, used at all.
rollerbang@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Here’s an idea. How about we zap the drivers after they make a turn if they didn’t use a turn signal beforehand? 😀
njordomir@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Can we do this in the same bill as the popup spikes that take out your tires if you stop across the crosswalk? The guided RPGs replacing red light cams can wait a little longer.
xthexder@l.sw0.com 3 weeks ago
Cars with lane-keep assist with vibrate the steering wheel and beep at you. It’s at least something but I think most people turn it off if it gets annoying
Rexios@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Anyone complaining about lane keep not letting them change lanes or make turns is telling on themselves
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Couldn’t we just use the point system from 5th element? The car noticed you did something illegal and dedicated from your point pool.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Are you sure you want something like that?