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Comment on ‘My Property Tax Went From $15K to a Life-Altering $91K a Year’
gravitywell@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Yeah some serious boomer logic going on here:
“We thought that if we kept the foundation and the outer walls of the house and we just took the roof off, it was our understanding that we were going to preserve our Save Our Homes and our homestead,” says Debbie.”
“the renovations—removing the roof, adding a second floor—ultimately triggered a full reassessment of the home’s value. Under Florida law, once a property is deemed substantially improved, it can be treated as new construction, removing the protections that had capped the home’s assessed value for years.”
atempuser23@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
lol, a basic slab on grade and 2x4 walls can handle 3 story buildings.
bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 3 weeks ago
Probably should add 3 hurricane clips, because it’s florida.
MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
At the same time, that absolutely is a life altering change. Even the biggest idiots don’t deserve to get their life upended. I don’t know what the right solution is, but I can extend significant empathy to “I did a dumb thing and I don’t know how to keep my home now without uprooting it”.
I’ve only bought one home and it was recently. It was every bit as aweful as I expected but having seen what they are in for, they might not have the cash around nessicary to sell the home without getting scammed by predatory buyers.
The entirety of real estate is so fucked
deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
They built a $4.4M home and expected to keep their original valuation?
That’s not a big idiot, that’s attempted tax fraud.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They were trying to cheat their taxes and failed. Fuck em.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Won’t someone think of the poor multimillionaires?
Photuris@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
[deleted]AA5B@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Even reading the summary - yes they had the Homestead Exemption to do exactlyy that. However they completely rebuilt their home to a much nicer one and thought they’d keep the Homestead Exemption. This worked correctly. In phase no sympathy for trying to cheat taxes
Photuris@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
It would help if I’d actually read the article.
A full night’s sleep, and I’m rethinking my comment. I was hasty.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I agree, we should replace property taxes with very large income and wealth taxes. First we can end property taxes and then we can implement guaranteed income so people who become disabled can afford to maintain their homes.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The thing about yearly property taxes is they often go to the city/municipality and that’s how they pay for things.
The city doesn’t charge income tax, that’s a state/province/fed level type thing.
We’d need a new way for cities to collect taxes themselves, or a new system to properly and fairly distribute taxes from the incomes to where they live based.
Definitely doable, but it’s a bit different than just raising taxes.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Property tax is a wealth tax
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you’re old and no longer have much of an income, you still have your home. If you become disabled,
We already have this is many states in the USA. Its called the “Homestead Exemption”. Here’s an example from Ohio:
“This is a statewide program, administered by County Auditors under rules established by the Ohio Legislature and the Ohio Department of Taxation. This allows senior citizens (65 or older) as well as permanently and totally disabled homeowners to reduce their real estate taxes by the amount equal to the taxes that would otherwise be charged on $25,000 of the market value of an eligible taxpayer’s homestead or residence. The homestead may include up to one acre of land. Under the changes made by the Ohio Legislature and beginning with applications for tax year 2014, new participants in the program will be subject to an income test to be eligible.”
So matter how big your house is (as long as its on one acre of land or less and you have an income $$75k/year or below) you only get charged as though the house is worth $25k, which I think would obviously be a very low tax bill.
anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
They qualify under the local homestead law.
But because that limits year over year increases (which I consider reasonable) and is reassessed after mayor upgrades (which they did) they now have a huge jump in taxes.
socsa@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
This is incorrect. In China nobody owns a home. They get a lease on it from the government. For wealthy urban Chinese this has meant they get lifetime ownership so far, but this is not guaranteed.
Also if you are not born with the correct hukou then you are not allowed to purchase any valuable property at all.
Photuris@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Ok, so, apparently, I don’t know what I’m talking about. I did watch one YouTube video though, and suddenly I felt like an expert on China.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve only bought one home and it was recently. It was every bit as aweful as I expected
I’ve now bought two in my lifetime. I wouldn’t call either awful for my experience.
What was bad about yours?
MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Lots of back and forth on inspection items. We wanted a lot fixed that should be fixed and they did do it as well as a lot of consolations, but if we had to sell this house right now, as I lost my job yesterday, I wouldn’t have the cash to be able to fix stuff that needs it for another inspection
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Lots of back and forth on inspection items. We wanted a lot fixed that should be fixed and they did do it as well as a lot of consolations,
That’s fair. That’s pretty common, and it usually sounds worse than it is. I think its also about setting expectations. If you have the expectation that you’ll be looking at a perfect house and simply agree to the sale price, then you’ll be surprised/frustrated. If you’re prepared for that back and forth with the horse trading on what you’ll fix vs what you won’t (similar to buying a used car), then its not too bad.
but if we had to sell this house right now, as I lost my job yesterday, I wouldn’t have the cash to be able to fix stuff that needs it for another inspection
You aren’t required to fix anything as the seller, however your buyer can walk away if it doesn’t pass inspection. If you have lots of buyers, this can be the right choice sometimes. However, if you only have one buyer you’re going to have to compromise. The middle ground here is that you can lower the cost of the house to cover the costs of the items needed to pass inspection. Buyers will usually go for that. So even if you don’t have cash in hand to fix things, you can still sell.
zod000@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Every home purchase I’ve ever made was a terrible experience. I’m glad you had a better time.
GroundedGator@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They tried to apply the building code laws. In Florida, if you do a renovation and keep the foundation and one wall, you can build to the code at the time of construction. These “protections” never applied to assessment and tax.
Many houses in that exact area have been bought for cheap and flipped using this work around. They end up with a modern house but can avoid having to spend extra for upgraded storm mitigation, plumbing, and electric.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah that’s the same rule up here in Jersey. You can use it to maintain a structure that goes against the current building codes (say the ordinance makes it so you can have as much, you still can). To think that a tax collector wouldn’t be like “Hey, there’s an extra 1500 square feet, two bedrooms, and another bathroom on this house” is foolish though. And you presumably pulled permits for it all and put it right on their radar.
The way to do it is piecemeal over several decades. Nobody is none the wiser.
GroundedGator@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Can’t imagine adding a floor piecemeal.
Tikiporch@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m sure it’s possible to achieve those things if you know the right people.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Boomer logic … “I want all the benefits, entitlements and supports of society and non of the responsibilities.”
Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Can you imagine the pain of having to pay fairly for what you own… Disgusting.
krashmo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I mean, bullshit strategies and apparent entitled attitude aside, she does have a point. $90k is an absurd property tax rate for a single family home.
astutemural@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Did you see the photo in the article? It’s a ‘single-family home’ in the way a Mercedes SUV is a minivan.
I mean, yah, housing is way too fuckimg expensive. But that is very definitely not a no-frills family home.
joel_feila@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So is a single family home worth 4mil
3abas@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Alright, so you’re a young gen z family and you buy your first home, which is all you can afford right now, you’re young and you’re starting your careers and your family.
In 10 years, property values have increased dramatically, and you’ve had a child and you’re thinking about your second. Your careers are going well, and you think we should maybe get a bigger place for our expanding family. But oh no, there’s an unsustainable housing marketing bubble that refuses to burst, so you can’t afford a bigger place anywhere near your job. So you build UP, like they do in every multi-generational home culture, you expand your living space as your family expands.
It’s not a crime or a moral failure to upgrade your home, and you shouldn’t jump at the opportunity to beat someone when they’re down just because you don’t empathize with this particular boomer homeowner.
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
This Boomer homeowner is why those Gen Z families can’t find homes. If your single family home is worth $4 million, that is the market telling you that that single family home should not exist. The land is too in demand, too close to jobs, too close to amenities etc. to have that lot hoarded by a single selfish person. You want to live in a single family home on a quarter acre lot? Fine. Do it on the edge of the city where the land is cheap. This women’s lost could provide homes for a dozen families, at prices that would be affordable to Gen Z families. Instead people like her vote to prevent such redevelopment.
3abas@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Are you okay?
Right, an unsustainable bubble, I said that. This boomer family bought a reasonably sized and priced house that’s on the edge of the city, and now they’re forced to sell it and not be able to replace it with a bigger home on their budget in the same part of town, they didn’t fuck things up Zillow did!
The gen z family who buys today won’t be about to upsize tomorrow, and you’re gonna blame them.
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Based on the backstory, they kind of did what you said, bought it in a relatively more affordable context, and then the world changed their minds around them and retroactively declared it a multi million dollar property. Well at least for tax purposes and likely insurance, but not necessarily market rate (tax assessments commonly lag the market, so a market downturn could leave them with a multi-million dollar house that no one will pay the stated value for
thedruid@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Trumper logic, you don’t own what you own, and you need to either pay more or give it up., and fuck you us wanting nice things
This is the type of shit destroying us as well.
thedruid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
See? Both sides are idiots( talking about political parties, not class)…
We have people who want to take too much from us and people who don’t want to give, and both sides downvote truth.
If we want a better country, we have to be honest, not selfish