Free speech? More like free* speech
*Only $4.99/month, yeah, definitely “free”
So much for free speech on X; Musk confirms new users must soon pay to post
Submitted 7 months ago by jeffw@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Resol@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Natanael@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
Fee speech
Resol@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Why didn’t I think of putting this in my comment?
Vaggumon@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Meh, you still ise Twitter, you get what you deserve.
Boggy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
What does vaggumon digivolve to? MetalVaggumon. ヴァグモン
vinyl@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Indeed I deserve porn, so I get porn.
penquin@lemm.ee 7 months ago
My tracking app doesn’t let this site load at all, so I didn’t read the article, but fuck musk. Will he remove ads when people pay them? I forgot my password for Twitter since last year and never bothered to log back into that cesspool
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Didn’t he say this like 5 times already
rsuri@lemmy.world 7 months ago
“Unfortunately, a small fee for new user write access is the only way to curb the relentless onslaught of bots,” Musk wrote on X.
…that makes no sense. I mean by “bots” usually we mean accounts that advertise one thing or another to make money. And if there’s any cause worth paying money for, it’s making more money. But some sports fan or BTS stan or whatever just wanting to cheer on their thing is just gonna stop posting.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Well, you can invest money to get rid of bots, or you can try to make money to get rid of bots. He tries the latter, and will kill the platform doing that.
Sanctus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Money is speech? This is clearly in-line with current US legal definitions so what’s the problem?
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Free to play speech
twig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Pay to play speech
vinyl@lemmy.world 7 months ago
OPs title is misleading, there’s a difference between free speech as in expressing your free speech and the one that OP is referring to is complaining about paying to express your free speech.
njm1314@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That’s not misleading, that’s sarcasm.
vinyl@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yes! sarcasm that implies on what I already said.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This isn’t useful or sufficient. You have to consider how many bots get banned and cost to determine efficacy. If you want 10,000 fake people to manipulate real people $10,000 doesn’t seem a high price if you make the fake people act organic enough that they largely aren’t banned.
It would be more useful if a singular service verified sufficient credentials to prove you were an authentic human and allowed you to auth to various sites. This in turn creates the problem that verifiers now know a LOT about your online life.
If the verification involved site -> verifier -> government held public key I think you could arrange so that none of the parties had enough info to identify users.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This is desperately needed
soba@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
“This is going to make so much easy money”, Musk thinks, delusionaly, as he further alienates the former core user base of the site he bought for literal billions of dollars and yet has never made any money. “They are going to be lining up to pay for this”, he imagines, forgetting that paid checkmarks was a huge ass failure and twitter still has never turned a profit.
r00ty@kbin.life 7 months ago
This is, I think his train of thought. He thinks Twitter is a utility that people need. Meanwhile, many of us never had an account and moves like this will just move people away. Before twitter there was other social media, and before social media we also got on fine.
There are literal alternatives to this service, I cannot believe people are still using it now. But surely this kills it?
arunshah240@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Good news for X alternative Social Media, if pay to post for X I’m exit form X.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 7 months ago
People still use Xwitter?
Pra@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I use it because I follow a lot of Japanese artists and mangakas. It’s nice because ya know Twitter is English so getting around is pretty easy. Stuff like pixiv seemed intimidating because it’s made for a Japanese audience, even if they have English stuff. Plus I just know how to use Twitter after making my account in 2009.
IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 7 months ago
Unfortunately the entire games industry is still on Xitter and nobody wants to leave it completely for Bluesky or Mastadon.
Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Only fascists and those who support fascists do.
shortwavesurfer@monero.town 7 months ago
Well, if nothing else, it does reduce some load on their servers because less people will be posting.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Would give him 56 cents
psmgx@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That’s 56 too much
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 7 months ago
We’re going to be 🤑 rich! Rich I tell you!
elephantium@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I like to be on x-twitter now O.K. by me on x-twitter now Every speech free on x-twitter now
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For a small fee on x-twitter now.
CPMSP@midwest.social 7 months ago
Yea hey xitter my xitter now Pay to be free like me on xitter now Speech is only money on xitter now
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Take it in the the xitter now xitter now
can@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
What’s this to the tune of?
elephantium@lemmy.world 7 months ago
America
hahattpro@lemmy.world 7 months ago
yeah, I think he is doing it now. Because if you dont boost, unlikely anyone will see what you tweet.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Well, one more reason to ignore that platform on it’s way to obsolescence.
unreasonabro@lemmy.world 7 months ago
lmfao fuck off musk sure it is
SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Keep digging Musk. Lmao
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Meanwhile, the neuralink patient zero gave a beautiful presentation of what has been happening with that project and it isn’t news because it goes against the Elon Bad narrative
reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 7 months ago
If you’d stop attempting to play victim on Musk’s behalf long enough to google it, you’d see that that’s actually getting plenty of coverage.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Who the heck uses those obscure sites? U am thinking about YouTube and stuffs.
uebquauntbez@feddit.de 7 months ago
Free speech is free speech only if your dictator tells you so.
coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Social media was never about free speech.
Coreidan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You might want to do some research on what free speech means because this is cringe.
shortwavesurfer@monero.town 7 months ago
I wonder if introducing an artificial delay, like hitting post, and it taking a minute before it actually goes live, would help. Because then something could scan incoming posts, and if something looked like a bot, it could be pulled before it ever actually went out.
joewilliams007@kbin.melroy.org 7 months ago
what would an artificial delay do? Litteraly nothing. Also they can scan posts after they have been uploaded. And a scan shouldnt take even a second.
shortwavesurfer@monero.town 7 months ago
An artificial delay should discourage flood attacks. Either that or do some sort of thing where you figure out how many posts per day the average user does and then not let people post above that limit.
shortwavesurfer@monero.town 7 months ago
Also, it very much depends on what you mean by “free”. If you mean free as in free beer, then absolutely it is no longer going to be free speech. However, if you mean free as in freedom to say what you want, I don’t know as I am no longer on the platform.
SolarMech@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
We need a new paradigm for social media. And no, I’m not satisfied with Lemmy either (privacy issues).
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Yup. I’m working on something, but it also has some privacy issues as well.
The problem is that the more privacy you have, the more people will post illegal and spammy stuff and the less monetizable the platform is. The more free speech you have, the more moderation costs. So social media companies will generally lean toward less privacy (so more ad revenue) and less free speech.
My focus is on p2p and user-generated moderation, which tries to solve two problems:
- instance hosting costs - near zero since data is stored on user devices; you can host a mirror to help
- bad mods - automatic moderation - if user A mods like user B, user A will trust user B more and posts they filter will filter for A
But the automatic moderation thing requires public information, like mod reports, categorization, and votes, so it’s not going to improve on lemmy in privacy. Anything privacy-respecting would require too much work from users (they’ll need to both consent to trust each other). Maybe I’ll be able to add it as an option.
But even if my system is perfect (it won’t be), it’s unlikely to beat something like Twitter or Facebook due to the network effect and sheer amount of engineering and marketing resources available.
Imo, lemmy is good enough for now. People like me will be working on stuff behind the scenes, so if lemmy falls over, hopefully we’ll have a ready replacement.
DarkThoughts@fedia.io 7 months ago
🍿
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They should do that for meeting people for dating…like a love tax or something… Pay some random so you can talk to people of your interested sex.
PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
tfw the free speech isn’t even free monetarily