How did overalls and jumpsuits went from male work clothe to female fashion without becoming "male fashion" ?

Submitted ⁨⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works⁩ to ⁨nostupidquestions@lemmy.world⁩

This is kinda stupid, and just for “culture” but I sometimes see women wearing overall or jumpsuit are fashion accessories, but when male do so it’s professional clothe (and sometimes sport clothe).

It’s seems that if a man over 10 year old wear an overall of a jumpsuit it’s a professional attire rather than a fashion thing. I am not really sure on why it totally skip the “male fashion step” ? I get that the “plumber overall” isn’t really that of a dream, but a pilot jumpsuit seems like many men’s dream job.

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viking@infosec.pub ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Are you just trying to make actual sense out of fashion? Good luck.

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- Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It would be easier to understand, if it was making an sens :)
  
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Peppycito@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You missed the phase in the 90’s when overalls were cool. Chris Cross gonna make you jump. And wear overalls. I think House of Pain wore them too.

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- aeronmelon@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It was indeed Afro-American fashion in the 90s. The Fresh Prince of Bel-air is another famous example.
  
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  - CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    In the latter half of the 90s it was popular with young people in general
    
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- uienia@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Also the '70s.
  
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  - gregorum@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    In the 80s
    
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- nonailsleft@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  ICP maybe
  
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  - bizzle@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Whoop whoop
    
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NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Fashion is, when you buy things that are so ugly that only half a year later you need all things new.

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- Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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  - BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You may wish to revisit your pre-conceived notions of the 70’s, and a bit of history.
    
    Also, your pejorative about boomers speaks volumes about you.
    
    Signed, Not-a-boomer, so doubling-down on boomer insults applies to me not in the least.
    
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  - reddfugee@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Aw, that was a cool comment, sorry you didn’t feel right leaving it up. I never thought about it that way, gah things have gotten so crazy. Have a good one fellow lemming!
    
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Behaviorbabe@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Depending on where you live, it’s absolutely male fashion. My dad wore overalls over a plain flannel almost exclusively.

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- agressivelyPassive@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Wore. Past tense.
  
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  - xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I.e. “previously was in fashion”
    
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  - Behaviorbabe@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah well he died so I guess he doesn’t wear them any more, lol.
    
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Cyberspark@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s work safety attire. When men wear it it’s “why are you wearing those work clothes” women can wear them because no one will assume they’re work clothes because women don’t (normally/traditionally) do those jobs.

In the same way that men don’t wear suits in a casual setting they don’t wear other work attire in a casual setting.

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WeeSheep@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Generally if women wear something, men will avoid it to not appear affeminate. Increasingly so throughout history as fashion is incorporated into gender roles.

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- otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The exception being jeans!
  
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  - agressivelyPassive@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Jeans are somehow on a completely different plain of existence. They’ve been somewhat fashionable for decades and all in all, haven’t changed that much. They got tighter and wider, higher and lower, but still more or less the same.
    
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  - WeeSheep@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Not sure if you noticed women’s pants are significantly tighter and more form fitting than men’s. They also tend to be thinner and stretchier to accommodate, and therefore usually wear out faster and are not as good in cold weather.
    
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ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
For a guy, it wasn’t a new fashion. The women are going through pocket overcompensation. Next, they’ll be in JNCO jeans.

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- Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Shit I need to cash in on this and make cargo skirts.
  
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- probablynaked@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  upvoted for pocket overcompensation i am seen
  
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Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Women look better in them.

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imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s hot when women wear clothes that are seen as “men’s clothing”

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- nonailsleft@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Like shoes
  
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  - imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    When we started to let them wear pants…😉😉😉
    
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bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Are comfy versions of overalls and jumpsuits even made for men? I just assume manufacturers make men’s work wear and women’s fashion versions and skip out on their counterparts.

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- EveningPancakes@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes, check out swoveralls
  
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antidote101@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m going to say that somewhere between guys not wanting to wear their work clothes outside of work, and the outfits being a major symbol of workers during the time the IWW were being demonized (the IWW were the "International Workers of The World) baby clothes became a thing.

Overalls and jumpsuits and softer forms of them are easy to put babies… Cartoons even sometimes depicted them with having a poop flap at the back, so men were being told not to wear them, babies were wearing them, and they were being used as a political symbol of international communism and “lowly” blue collar work like mining or steel work.

… however women, would later (within our youth obsessed culture) want to look cute and young, and at other points in time, wanted to be seen as viable and able workers… And women were already in the habit of borrowing fashions from men.

Thus there were cultural rejection factors for men, and cultural attraction factors for women.

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- antidote101@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Oh, also, some women would have had access to overalls as part of fulfilling factory work roles during WW2 when male labour was absent.
  
  Due to having to mostly return to their “normal” lives afterwards, this may have given the social period when less men were around to be wary of or tell them what to do, a magical quality of independence.
  
  Some of that magic of female independence may have washed off onto the factory workers uniform: The Overalls.
  
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philpo@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Follow up question: How are overalls/jumpsuit even remotely practical,especially for women who don’t pee standing up mostly - and especially in the US with its legendary public toilet doors?

As a man I simply don’t get it.

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Muscar@discuss.online ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Major title gore…

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bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m guessing it’s because parents also dress their kids in denim overalls (because kids are messy), leading to some kids growing up to experience wearing them. Girls like the “vintage” style of kid’s clothes at least as far as high school, at which point they can become a nostalgic choice.

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PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Not a lot of people wear their uniform as high fashion unless it’s one that carries an inherent prestige

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