Submitted 9 months ago by JoMomma@lemm.ee to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
Who else would try to convince others that Cheaters never succeed in profiting?
The intent of the proverb isn’t that bad people don’t get good things, it’s that a person who is cheating doesn’t get value out of the activity.
If you go through life cutting corners, you don’t actually get to learn and build a strong foundation.
You can still be rewarded with jobs, money, and sycophants, but that’s not what really matters.
This heavily relies on the premise that there is always something deeper than winning that’s valuable.
It’s all about knowing when and where to cheat. Cheat as often as you can on meaningless stuff.
Cheat as often as you can on meaningless stuff.
My ex-wife would probably disagree.
tl;dr - "Winning" and "prospering" are two different things
You can still be rewarded with jobs, money, and sycophants, but that’s not what really matters.
I respectfully disagree.
Life isn’t a meritocracy
Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.
what’s this from?
That’s Diego Maradona’s infamous Hand of God goal against England at the 1986 World Cup.
It strikes me as pure Christian please-slap-the-other-cheek-then-too and you-should-be-grateful-they’re-even-playing-with-you-at-all-even-if-they’re-cheating propaganda to satisfy the worldview of the powerless and disenfranchised
I don’t think that PD (or any of its variants) is a good proxy for cheating, because cheating involves deception or rule breaking, while “defect” is just a legal move.
A better proxy might be something like nuptial gifts in some spider species. So in some species, the male will present a female with whom he wishes to mate a nuptial gift - an insect wrapped in webbing. But the “cheat” move is when either the insect has already been sucked dry or when it’s snatched back too quickly for the female to feed.
We can estimate the degree to which cheaters prosper by looking at how common these and similar behaviors are in their respective populations - let evolution do the calculations. Animal behavior is replete with deceptive and manipulative communication, and because so much of it is genetically determined we can be reasonably confident that we have an objective metric.
It depends on if they had to lie or not. Eventually you will have to lie in order to cover the original lie until you it can’t keep all of the lies straight. If you cheated your way through college, then you can probably get away with it unless you go into a skilled profession like a doctor. If you’re just getting an MBA or something, then it’s not a big deal since business/ office work is not skilled anyway.
Everyone always lies.
politicians? clergy?
Just the cheaters that are caught, the ones never caught are living the life.
Long term losses > short term gains
Who else would try to convince others that Cheaters never succeed in profiting?
People who don’t cheat and want to dissuade others from cheating. Because the statement is incorrect. Cheaters prosper all the fucking time.
roguetrick@kbin.social 9 months ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis
sebinspace@lemmy.world 9 months ago
My favorite response to “why do bad things happen to good people?” is “what makes you think they were good?”
neo@feddit.de 9 months ago
I don’t understand. I think bad things (e.g. cancer) can happen to everyone (e.g. small childrens/babies, selfless people…). Is your argument that no one is really good?
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The most common, if subconscious, response is: “bad things happened to them so they must be a bad person”.
PatFussy@lemm.ee 9 months ago
They were unconditionally good in a Kant kind of way you know
Whelks_chance@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I like this, but having skimmed it I didn’t find a description I connected with.
For whatever reason, I feel the world isn’t “just”, but I personally will have a better life if I do good things. It’s rooted in selfishness rather than celestial balance.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The world isn’t just. The universe isn’t just. Both of those have no concept of just.
Society is better when people try and act like good people. So I do that.
jettrscga@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Sure you can alter circumstances to an extent and that’s probably the best way to live life. But all the good in the world doesn’t stop a freak accident like a car crash killing you or being struck by lightning. And while being struck by lightning is used synonymously with an act of god, I don’t think it actually means you deserved it. That’s the issue with the just-cause fallacy. It takes a huge spoonful of selection bias to only notice the people who did deserve it.
In my opinion the idea of karma is a convenient crowd control mechanism to prevent people from taking action to fix their situation when they have faith that the universe will magically balance itself out.