Submitted 9 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
https://rmi.org/the-rise-of-batteries-in-six-charts-and-not-too-many-numbers/
The unstoppable rise of batteries is leading to a domino effect that puts half of global fossil fuel demand at risk::The unstoppable rise of batteries is leading to a domino effect that puts half of global fossil fuel demand at risk.
Oh no! …. Anyways.
I was going to say “Oh no?” But yours works too!
The unstoppable rise of title is leading to a domino effect that puts all my sanity at risk.
This story is Analyst begging us to think of the fossil fuels.
Title. Title. title.
Good.
Eh…
Batteries take “rare earth metals” like cobalt.
www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/…/100802588
There’s an environmental cost, and a huge cost on a personal level to the people who mine it.
It’s like if your house is burning down, but then a flood comes and puts out the fire.
Sure, the fire is out, but now your house is underwater. We’re just switching one problem for another, not really solving anything
Batteries take “rare earth metals” like cobalt.
Some Lithium-Ion batteries use Cobalt, but many don’t. Lithium-Iron-Phosphate, for example, is a popular variant without any Cobalt. There is a push going on to move to battery chemistries without Cobalt or to reduce the actual amount of Cobalt where it is still required.
Current Li-ion batteries have numerous issues, but fortunately there are several alternatives too. Bringing a new battery chemistry to production scale hasn’t been easy, but we’re taking small steps like that every year. Who knows which one of them ends up dominating the market after a few decades.
People think your comment is pro fossil fuels because it’s literally a pro fossil fuel talking point. This is the kind of stuff they parrot. Dumb people think that having batteries somehow makes EVs equivalent to ICE when it comes to environmental impacts and will repeat exactly what you wrote while ignoring all the other facts.
You can be right and still be a mouthpiece spreading oil propoganda.
I agree that no battery is perfect. But unlike gasoline, you can use a rechargeable battery over and over, then it gets recycled.
It’s a far better solution. And better batteries will come alone to replace what we use now.
And petroleum products don’t? I don’t get your argument Lithium mining is pretty bad but nowhere near as bad as oil/fossil fuels
Fracking contaminates ground water, when you pump oil out it get replaced with what? Water, once again contaminating everything it touches. Plus this doesn’t happen with Lithium mining either
Funny how people are overly concerned about cobalt in EV batteries but never cellphone batteries.
Nah, people hate nuance, it’s now the age of false dichotomy. Where you either offer my position unconditional non-critical support, or you are offering my opponents unconditional non-critical support.
I said something similar about nuclear power a while ago and got a similar response.
Is there an environmental cost with fossil fuels?
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
The fossil fuel industry is dying
Upvote to make it die faster
Upvote to make it die faster
goddamn if that were only what it took…
This is the second click bait article I’ve seen today from L4sBot.
Won’t someone please think of the fossils.
We do, every election.
Oh won’t sinecure think of the oil barrons!
Wait, what’s that? They’re shifting their focus to plastics and the life that recycling works even though nobody wants to pay to make it work?
Well shit.
So invest in batteries tech dumbfuck oil robbers
Oohoho I have so many old batteries at home I was gonna take to recycling. Fuck that, I’m gonna be rich!!
It’s nice to get some good news on occasion.
TIL: About RMI, or, the Rocky Mountain Institute. en.m.wikipedia.org/…/RMI_(energy_organization) So the kinda “Huh?” headline makes sense.
One of their focuses is changing energy usage patterns by changing demand.
In several sections, with minimal numbers and many helpful charts, the article takes us thru how evolving battery technology will lead to lessened fossil fuel demand.
Correct. You should add the label that this chart compares forecast demand for EVs vs actual demand, along with the revised forecasts.
So what’s some good battery stock?
OK, but who’s going to be transporting all those batteries?
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Thats a weird way to frame it.
The rise of vaccines puts viruses at risk.
Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 9 months ago
As soon as I read the title I thought “did fossil fuel barons write the title because who would phrase it that way?”
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The article is by Rocky Mountain Institute, which is a think tank focused on clean energy transitions. And the rest of the language in the article is much more positive - batteries will enable a shift away from fossil fuels.
So yes, very odd word choice in the title given that the rest of the article generally views fossil fuel displacement to be a good thing.
Silentiea@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I read the title and thought “Good, but can we do more?”