Submitted 9 months ago by Godric@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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The US film industry has been operating for over a hundred years, routinely works with firearms, and yet only 3 people have died in firearms accidents that whole time.
I’m saying this for all the gun safety “experts”. I don’t care if you’re military, law enforcement, or a private gun owner, your embarrassing yourself by lecturing Hollywood’s on gun safety.
Sir / madam, this is a shitpost, not a lecture on gun safety
Shitpost about human deaths, deal with the lectures on human deaths in the comments.
Dont like it? Shitpost about puppies. No one lectures puppies.
This is Lemmy, you will receive a lecture.
If they practiced proper firearm safety there wouldn’t have been real bullets in a gun that’s supposed to be loaded with blanks, no?
If they had practiced actually firearm safety on the movie set, the guns would have been blank guns incapable of firing live ammunition.
In fact they’d should have had no guns capable of firing live ammunition on set.
All they should have had were blank firing guns and disabled firearms (e.g. firing pin removed)
I mean, tbf, you do not need live ammo to make a film… The other examples do need -want for the private case- so I do not think is comparable.
And yet. They clearly failed that day. To have that great a safety record before the failure really begs the question doesn’t it?
How he can be tried for the duty of a prop person or the director who hired that person is beyond ludicrous. The man showed up to do a job. That job was not to keep the props safe. He was handed a tool and told it was ok to use. Fuck this system. Let him go about his life. I’m sure the trauma of having shot someone for real is enough to make him double-check for the rest of his life. That’s enough.
Baldwin didn’t “show up to do a job.” He was a producer on the film, not just an actor.
Exactly. It happened on his set by his hand. Makes a bit more of a tough situation
Producer is a broad term, there are many producers for a movie. He was likely just overseeing casting and other actor stuff.
“The trio behind the monitor began repositioning the camera to remove a shadow, and Baldwin began explaining to the crew how he planned to draw the firearm. He said, “So, I guess I’m gonna take this out, pull it, and go, ‘Bang!’” When he removed it from the holster, the revolver discharged a single time. Baldwin denied pulling the trigger of the gun, while ABC News described a later FBI report stating that the gun could only fire if the trigger was pulled. Halls was quoted by his attorney Lisa Torraco as saying that Baldwin did not pull the trigger, and that Baldwin’s finger was never within the trigger guard during the incident. When the gun fired, the projectile traveled towards the three behind the monitor. It struck Hutchins in the chest, traveled through her body, and then hit Souza in the shoulder. Script supervisor Mamie Mitchell called 9-1-1 at 1:46 p.m. PT and emergency crews appeared three minutes later. Footage of the incident was not recorded.”
"In August 2022, FBI forensic testing and investigation of the firearm determined the Pietta .45 Long Colt Single Action Army revolver could not have been fired without a trigger pull from a quarter cocked, half-cocked, or fully cocked hammer position. It was also determined that the internal components of the revolver were intact and functional which ruled out mechanical failure as a reason for an accidental discharge. Baldwin stated during a December 2021 interview for ABC News that “the trigger wasn’t pulled” and “I didn’t pull the trigger.”
So he most likely lied about it. Maybe he was drunk or on drugs…
“On January 19, 2023, New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies said she would charge Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed with two counts each of involuntary manslaughter. Halls agreed to plead guilty to negligent use of a deadly weapon, and received a suspended sentence and six months of probation.”
"On June 22, 2023, Gutierrez-Reed faced a second charge of tampering with evidence, in which the special prosecutors allege that she transferred “narcotics to another person with the intent to prevent the apprehension, prosecution or conviction of herself.” They later specify from a June 29 court filing that she attempted to conceal a small bag of cocaine the night of the fatal shooting after her initial police interview. On August 4, 2023, Gutierrez-Reed waived her right to a preliminary hearing to determine whether or not the criminal charges would stand, thus allowing the trial to move forward and on August 9, she pleaded not guilty to both charges. On August 21, a New Mexico judge scheduled her trial to run February 21 through March 6, 2024.”
There were drugs on set.
“On November 10, Rust gaffer Serge Svetnoy filed a lawsuit against the production for general negligence. A second lawsuit was filed on November 17 by script supervisor Mamie Mitchell, who says the script did not call for the discharging of a firearm. On January 23, 2022, Baldwin and other producers filed a memorandum that asked a California judge to dismiss the November 17, 2021 lawsuit by Mitchell. In November 2022, the court rejected a request to dismiss Mitchell’s lawsuit against Baldwin and his production company”
I didn’t know it is his own company as well…
I don’t sand with anyone because i don’t know all the facts.
Yeah but I’d still stand behind him when the gun is pointed the other way
Lazy overused meme
but funny
If there’s evidence, then let a jury decide. Having this take so long isn’t justice to anyone
nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 9 months ago
Wait he was handed live gun, which was supposed to fire blanks and yet it’s him getting charged and not the propmaster. what the fuck? what am I missing?
rtxn@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s never as simple as you think.
Analysis of the events and circumstances, and commentary by a lawyer: www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXmAeMQCvZQ
takeda@lemmy.world 9 months ago
He says that Baldwin is unlikely charged for firing the gun but more likely for being a producer who failed to ensure that the set is safe.
The thing is that he right now is being charged for firing the gun not for falling as a producer, that’s why it seems pretty weird like they are really trying to sack him for some reason.
jballs@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
I love me some Legal Eagle, but this video is 2 years old and at the beginning he says they don’t have the full facts yet and everything is speculative since they don’t know what happened. I’m wondering if there’s anything more recent with more info about what actually happened.
tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 9 months ago
So, there is a part where he’s an executive producer and may have ignored warnings regarding safety.
nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 9 months ago
Anything to a Wikipedia article on the incident it was the armorer that had previous experience with accidental discharges of firearms and I guess it’s the mere point of their presence during filming to make sure all guns are handled safely. Their job was to hand a safe gun to the actor, they didn’t do it and a person died. I don’t fucking see one reason to charge the actor, regardless of whether they happen to be a producer or not, and not charge the person actually responsible for the accident.
mp3@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
The armorer trial was pushed back to Feb. 21 of this year.
Altofaltception@lemmy.world 9 months ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_shooting_incident
This would be David Halls, the assistant director.
nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 9 months ago
It has to be someone’s job to make sure guns on set are safe
cmbabul@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yeah I don’t think anyone reasonable thinks Baldwin purposefully shot that person, it was a tragic accident that was preventable at a lot of levels and while I don’t think he would be culpable were he not producing the film and merely acting in it, the fact is he is because he was
Altofaltception@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Public scapegoat.
Maeve@kbin.social 9 months ago
Even if that’s true, Alec bears legal responsibility. I’m left of USA “left,” so it’s not like I am wrongfully projecting unwarranted culpability onto Alec. I’ve no problems with anything I recall him saying. I understand the emotions that may be driving Alec’s refuseal to accept legal and moral responsibility. It still doesn’t make him less responsible, legally or ethically.
Godric@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You’re hopefully missing someone on set, unlike Baldwin