HP sued (again) for blocking third-party ink from printers, accused of monopoly::Suit seeks injunction blocking HP from bricking printers using third-party ink.
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HP sued (again) for blocking third-party ink from printers, accused of monopoly
Submitted 4 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
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Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Iampossiblyatwork@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Delete this before a Ford Exec reads this.
PinkPanther@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Don’t worry, they’d have to geoblock the tank lid, and they don’t know where your car is. Oh, wait…
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Tesla did that essentially with their proprietary charging. Then they essentially strongarmed other companies into adopting their standard.
DacoTaco@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Only in the us afaik. In the eu this didnt fly. We use menekes type 2 and ccs2, including all teslas.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I was under the impression that their standard was objectively better than alternatives, so that was a net positive?
ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I hate to side with ElMo, but didn’t that happen because they kick started the EV car wave? And apparently their solution was also the better option, or something to that effect.
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’m vomiting at the idea because while it sounds silly, I have to remember kuerig convinced everyone that coffee pods were a better alternative then tried to lock it down so only official kuerig pods worked.
badbytes@lemmy.world 4 months ago
HP is a dead company. Like a zombie that doesn’t know it’s state. Die already!
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
HP’s consumer division certainly is. Their computers are buttgarbage and their printers are outright scams at this point. My understanding though is they make shit like MRI machines…yeah the company is a zombie.
EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 4 months ago
According to a 90s article I linked deeper in this thread, the medical arm split off from the company in 1999.
neclimdul@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That’s probably HPE. The companies split a while back
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I wonder what the people who work there are like
BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I get what you’re saying, but the majority of them are probably fine humans just trying to make a living
takeda@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Is there a place to check and compare printers in respect to this?
I’m currently looking for a printer replacement and don’t want to lock myself to printers like these. I know to stay away from HP as it looks like they are the biggest offender. I know that brother generally was good, but I’m not sure if that still holds true.
HejMedDig@feddit.dk 4 months ago
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This is the way.
takeda@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Thank you this looks great, but I also want to be able to scan and copy documents on flatbed as sometimes they are connected or can’t go into the feeder for other reasons.
ThePantser@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I have a Epson Eco tank printer that you just fill the tanks. There is no way for them to prevent you from using any ink you want.
Kanzar@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yeah those CISS style ones are awesome, really glad Epson embraced it after years of customers using 3rd party CISS.
If I were to get an inkjet again (I have a bw brother laser MFC), it’d definitely be a ciss.
WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Can HP go fucking bancrupt already?
Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
A lot of things get hacked or tweaked. People make CNC machines out of random motors. I wish someone makes an open source paper printer.
ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 4 months ago
No one would buy it. That’s the reality.
Their are two customers for printers businesses that need high reliability and high volume. They will pay more for this, if it’s cost effective in the long term. An open source solution wouldn’t be much cheaper, a business supplying servicing and repairs are still needed. The other are consumers that want something that appears cheap and are too ignorant to asses long term cost. They are served by budget printers sold for a loss. That loss is made up for in by selling them ink that is exorbitantly marked up.
An open source solution cant be sold for a loss, if the carriages are also open source. Only people ideologically in favour of open source solutions and those that do the maths to estimate long term value of printers.
Brother laser printers are good value per print. But they cost much more for less features.
executive_chicken@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Get a Brother laser printer and never look back
fxt_ryknow@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Just to add to this… I rarely print anything, but my wife (an elementary school teacher) prints all kinds of stuff! We picked up an eco tank printer from Epson. We’ve had it now for a coupe years and it’s been fantastic! We would replace ink cartridges a few times a year previously… Where as with the eco tank we do about once a year. The print quality has held up, and it’s just been a good little work horse for her!
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Monopoly 🙄
What a stupid fucking way to go after HP.
ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If they cannot be trusted to compete fairly in the market, they should not compete in the market. Dissolve them, nationalize them, I don’t care. We can’t afford this bad behavior any more.
Lightrider@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
#fuckingcapitalists
badbytes@lemmy.world 4 months ago
HP is a failed capitalistic experiment.
yuriy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I was able to install old firmware on an HP printer and circumvent the ink lockout. It’s highly dependant on when your particular printer was made, but it is an option. Just make sure you also turn off all the auto update options.
frunch@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Perhaps they’ll be fined 1/4 day’s profits and carry on like nothing happened ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
CurbsTickle@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yep. Needs to be tied to profit for the action at a minimum, and should be gross not net. Because net can be manipulated too easily.
But instead it’s just a cost of doing (shitty) business.
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Bingo. The fines for these behemoths are pathetic. “I know what will work, let’s shake them down for the lunch money!”
xektop@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What could work is to impose a daily progressing fine until the firmware change Is reversed and 3rd party ink Is allowed again.
andallthat@lemmy.world 4 months ago
printing all that paper in order to sue them probably ended up costing more than their fine