Submitted 10 months ago by GreyShuck@feddit.uk to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/30/britons-brexit-bad-uk-poll-eu-finances-nhs
A clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a landmark poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK fully leaving the EU single market and customs unions.
The survey of more than 2,000 UK voters also finds strikingly low numbers of people who believe that Brexit has been of benefit to them or the country.
Weird take: Brexit continues to show waves of failure year after year. So I don’t think yelling about it or going “I told you so” with a poll is the answer.
The answer is to push the brexit supporters into the ocean.
push the brexit supporters into the ocean
Jesus fucking christ
He’s obviously joking but Remainers like him and me have a right to be fucking angry. My citizenship of the EU has been lost because of xenophobia and stupidity.
In poll land Brexit never happened, which set the stage for an uneventful 4-year Clinton presidency mostly famous for an iconic photo-op pres Clinton took with the zoo animal, Harambe, following a G20 summit where Xi boasted of negotiating Putin off a suicidal scheme to invade Kyiv, and also of successfully preventing a near-miss that would have led Wuhan to become the epicenter of a global health disaster. With me stranded here on the other side at the Berenstain universe, excuse me if I don’t get ahead of myself celebrating this poll.
No shit, Sherlock. The rest of the educated world could see the shit-show that would ensue. I guess it’s good they finally caught on.
Half of us in the UK knew this too. Just unfortunately a slither under half of those that voted at the time.
Please don’t tar us all with the same xenophobic self flagellating brush.
Reminder of the vocal minority. The number of instances people can say this exact statement to ranges across the world UK with Brexit America with Presidential Election, Russia with the War, China and Japan’s financial situations. It’s not that people caught on, it’s that whoever holds the cards are catching on
Excellent. Labour, the next government of the UK, will see this polling in the guardian and campaign on an easy win to rejoin the EU?
Will they fuck. Both Labour and Tories want Brexit votes in the North and poor areas of the country. Hence neither will do anything but more Brexit. The sad thing is that people will still vote Labour in massive numbers and keep us in Brexit mode. Get used to it lads… a decade or two more of this.
What’s the alternative? With fptp it’s labour or Tories and it takes a major shift to make one of the other parties a threat.
Labour and Tories both benefit from fptp so there’s no way theyre ever going to change it.
The alternative is that Labour immediately upon getting in says: Right lads we’re going back in because it is clear the damage to the country is too immense - you’ll thank us in five years time. If they do this immediately they might stand a chance in the election after that. Clearly 50% of the electorate will still vote for them based on the referendum results and even more now according to these polls for them to win the election after next.
So the alternative is for Labour to do what is best for the long term health of the country and not simply themselves.
What the aristocrat with messy hair lied?
“Gerronweeit” as the Joris Bonson guy said. But they did, and it’s rubbish. But my life would probably be rubbish anyway.
has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration
I don’t see how any of that implies failure.
Shooting themselves in the foot sucks, world shocked with surprise
It exhausts me how dumb the country I live in is (the US) and I appreciate that there is another country out there that can at least make me feel a little bit better about how dumb my country is.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a landmark poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK fully leaving the EU single market and customs unions.
The survey of more than 2,000 UK voters also finds strikingly low numbers of people who believe that Brexit has been of benefit to them or the country.
Just one in 10 people (10%) believe leaving the EU has helped their personal financial situation, against 35% who say it has been bad for their finances, while just 9% say it has been good for the NHS against 47% who say it has had a negative effect.
James Crouch, head of policy and public affairs at Opinium, said the perception of Brexit being handled badly and having had negative effects on various aspect of UK life appeared to be spreading: “Public discontent at how Brexit has been handled by the government continues, with perceived failings even in areas previously seen as a potential benefit from leaving the EU.
“Half (51%) of Leave voters now think that Brexit has been bad for the UK’s ability to control immigration, piling even more pressure on an issue the government is vulnerable on.
“This shift in sentiment may be particularly stark among the ‘red wall’ voters who rallied most eagerly to Johnson’s banner four years ago, but have been most exposed to rising bills and collapsing public services since.
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The problem with a failing economy is that it’s very hard to get it back on track. Where Brexit has truly failed us is in accountability, as those that made the decision and pushed the populist opinion to leave won’t see many hardships from it.
IMO, a Labour government should look to reverse Brexit in everything but name. Set trade deals, introduce freedom of movement to allow British people to take opportunities in the EU for higher salaries (a reverse on the last decision), and push it as a win for trade. As for accountability, many will disagree with this, but I think the only way out is to remove the pension lock and start taxing those that have holdings. Set a cap on the price of second homes to reduce by 1% every year (so people don’t immediately sell to the cash rich and crash the market, but not slow enough that savings are secure), and invest heavily in growing economies.
Many don’t think Starmer will be progressive, but given his record and reputation in the CPS, I think he might be playing things safe until an election is won. I have surprisingly high hopes for a Labour manifesto, if independently coated.
You cooked it, you served it, now you eat it.
Destination of a sunk cost facility but hey nearly a decade on let’s not upset the unicorns
I don’t understand how the population of an island nation with no resources to speak of thought removing themselves from a larger economic bloc would benefit them in any way, other than to satisfy their racist tendencies. The entire history of the country is about its citizens leaving to steal resources from others because there isn’t shit on that island. I suppose I couldn’t expect the citizens who still worship a monarchy to have better critical thinking skills.
IbnLemmy@feddit.uk 10 months ago
Britons voted for it, now they think it’s completely failed. I don’t know guys, but there some questions that we should just not ask Britons!!?
Personally voted against Brexit, but always believed it should never have even gone to a referendum. We are a parliamentary democracy and parliament should have decided.
breadsmasher@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I voted against it. I told everyone I knew it would be a shitshow. Countless others called out all of the lies from the leave campaign.
It’s not fun to have been proven right on something like this. 49% of britons did not want brexit and rightly knew how awful it would turn out.
Did prove 51% are either/both racist and stupid
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Those percentages aren’t even correct for the entire population cause not everyone voted. And I would argue most people that didn’t vote just wanted it to stay same as, and didn’t think Leave would’ve polled so highly among the voters.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 10 months ago
“How dare those dirty proles be given a choice”
Squizzy@lemmy.world 10 months ago
They were, in who they elect to represent them.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 10 months ago
The problem is that it was an advisory vote and it is should have been handled by initially deciding a negotiating position.
Leaving the EU meant a lot of different things and the approximate idea of implementation should have been decided on before leaving.
Echrichor@feddit.uk 10 months ago
The yes/no nature of the vote was also a mistake. “Keep it as it is” Vs “change something” lumped in everyone who wanted anything from a swiss or Nordic style deal down to hard brexiteers to protest votes into the same category, when normally they wouldn’t have agreed.
If it were to happen at all, it should have been a ranked vote.
tal@lemmy.today 10 months ago
This is sometimes raised, but is misleading. The only reason it was legally advisory is because in the British system of government, the UK cannot bind Parliament; the House of Commons can override anything else.
In the system of government in some countries, the option for a meaningful legal difference between two types of referendum exists.
The British government had been explicit that what the British public voted for would be implemented; this is the closest analog to a binding referendum. Had they simply wanted to request the advice of the public, it would have been announced that they would take the outcome under consideration.
This is not to say that having that referendum was s good idea. It is just to say that the binding/advisory nature is really a property of the British system of government, not to indicate that the intent was to merely take the public’s vote as advice.
Damage@feddit.it 10 months ago
It was decided by the political class, otherwise it wouldn’t have happened. With such a slim margin they could have said “oh well, it’s practically 50-50, it’s wiser to maintain the status quo”.
Echrichor@feddit.uk 10 months ago
Particularly given at the time it was presented as an opinion vote. Of course when it turned it the way the ERG wanted they couldn’t wait to push a retcon to make it binding through parliament because will margins apparently mean unassailable “will of the people”. Had it gone the other way they would have used it to push for another binding one “look nearly half of people want it… bla bla bla”.
echodot@feddit.uk 10 months ago
Nigel Farage was already gearing up to become a massive thorn in everyone’s backside. He actually thought it probably would go that way he didn’t realize that he barely won.
rah@feddit.uk 10 months ago
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tal@lemmy.today 10 months ago
“Which is the best brand of brown sauce?”