SaaS is a scam
Broadcom ends VMware perpetual license sales, testing customers and partners
Submitted 11 months ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to technology@lemmy.world
Comments
knobbysideup@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Proxmox is a decent option, or just use kvm provisioning directly with ansible.
Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
So many companies can’t do this.
RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The staffing, the network and storage changes.
The suggestion to just use KVM and ansible is rather tone def.
Sounds like someone with limited experience in the industry, honestly.
You999@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Proxmox is not a complete replacement for VMware. Proxmox still does not have a distributed resource scheduler or distributed power management for it’s cluster which means the only time a VM will move between nodes is if a node goes down.
There’s no official support for VDI within proxmox and all the third party tools are janky at best, definitely not ready for enterprise level deployments.
Nvidia does not officially support vGPUs on proxmox. You can get it working but it’s definitely not something you’d want to run on production.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I get why enterprise likes VMWare but KVM isn’t harder to deal with. I’ve always worked at smaller companies so this isn’t an expert opinion. But I’ve always felt like at the infrastructure level, it ends up being cheaper to hire experts and run the open source solution (assuming it’s mature and at feature parity) than pay licensing and support fees.
An expert in one thing will usually add to your company in other ways too. Talent > “solutions” in the long run.
Nomad@infosec.pub 11 months ago
I learned years ago that buying something from a big company instead of using a free open source solution is about aoutsourcing responsibility. Its about being able to sue a company about damages instead of hiring reliable personell to run and write fixes for foss software. Also insurance is much easier.
Not that I follow that advice, my company is still 99% foss software.
themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Exactly. All enterprise software pricing is about liability and how much blame you can put on the software vendor when everything goes wrong.
Of course, your company’s employees are still going to be the ones picking up the pieces but you get to tell your investors “actually it was VMWare’s fault”. And you can’t do that with OSS, even if you’re buying support.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Let me tell you about a couple of bank data centers operated using VMware and the type of talent banks are able to hire and retain.
GrundlButter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
This one gave me the imposter syndrome rollercoaster again. I’m inept, you can’t convince me I’m not, but I’m not that inept that I can’t see multiple glaring flaws with different explanations at play here. That passes for IT professionals in pivotal roles. But I’d be too embarrassed to continue existing if I were anyone involved in that rollout “plan”.
Obviously there’s some sort of spectrum of knowledge and experience, but I cant reliably discern what it’s supposed to even look like anymore.
You’ve got an audience if you feel like elaborating. Sounds like a fun story haha.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
RHEV > OpenStack
Don’t hate the game just because one frail player.
somenonewho@feddit.de 11 months ago
I work in hosting. We mostly use Proxmox for our Hypervisors which is already a step up from “bare” KVM in regards to convenience/ease of use (especially for High availability scenarios and the like) We also run VMWare and while I don’t love the “locked down you gotta do it the VMWare way” nature it’s often so much easier and the HA is mich more convenient. Also it has proper functionality for custom resourcing/access/billing.
bassomitron@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Say what? Going back to only KVM in modern DCs is some crazy talk. If your org is small enough that KVM is even remotely an option, then I’d recommend running a cost/benefit analysis on whether hosting a small server farm on prem is even worthwhile.
But when you’re managing hundreds of servers with dozens of various purposes, FOSS solutions aren’t always tenable. And not using a virtualization platform is just straight up masochistic, not to mention potentially dangerous from a security standpoint.
I agree that talent > solutions, but if you want to retain that talent, you have to make their lives not miserable at work, which means sometimes having to purchase solutions to make their lives easier.
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Small and medium (and even large) companies investing in talent instead of commercial solutions is the solution to improving FOSS. I know it has downsides, as you stated, but there are significant upsides. FOSS is cheaper than a custom solution, and the company only has to pay for the modifications it wants to see. The whole community then benefits from their hard work adding features and maintaining the software.
I’m not saying that it’s the BEST idea for every company. All I’m saying is not to discount FOSS out of hand for these companies. There are significant advantages for companies that should be weighed against the cons. This kind of advocacy is also important in furthering the FOSS model.
uid0gid0@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Broadcom used to be a worthwhile company, but now their whole M.O. seems to be buying up mature solutions and price-gouging the companies that rely on those solutions. They sell off the parts they can’t price gouge with and then the solutions stagnate. They did it with CA, and again with Symantec, and now it’s VMware’s turn.
penquin@lemm.ee 11 months ago
They paid $61B for it, they’re going to do everything in the book to make it back.
lightnegative@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The enshittifications will continue until morale improves
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 11 months ago
but just think of the brief moment of incredible profits before people migrate to other options.
SimonSaysStuff@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I first deployed ESX back in 2003 and from then on I was a huge fan of VMware. So, watching Broadcoms changes unfold is a little sad.
What i really wanted to ask is, for meduim to large enterprises that want on-prem infrastructures what are their options nowadays? I don’t work in this area any more so I’m out of touch.
JonsJava@lemmy.world 11 months ago
cm0002@lemmy.world 11 months ago
for meduim to large enterprises that want on-prem infrastructures what are their options nowadays?
Proxmox probably comes the closest, there’s also…HyperV (gross)
netburnr@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My bet is Nutanix is going to grow a lot over the next few years.
Rognaut@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Your option is Azure or AWS…
/s
capital@lemmy.world 11 months ago
linearchaos@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Good thing I just dumped them for proxmox.
Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I tasked my VAR to find out what our pricing is going to look like in 2024 when our support agreement is up. They said VMware is a mess right now, do t expect a response soon. I need time to migrate and decide if I’m sticking with on-prem or moving god damn workloads to some cloud. This is a fucking shitshow. I fucking hate shareholders.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Move to Citrix. You can even use their cloud management system to manage your on prem infrastructure. So that’s an easy first workload to shift.
misanthropy@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Citrix is garbage, I work with it daily
Wooki@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Good god what a disaster of a company. They treat their customers as over glorified testers.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
decide if I’m sticking with on-prem or moving god damn workloads to some cloud
Well, if you really want to burn through a lot of money really fast, and don’t want to think of any other option at all, then yeah.
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 11 months ago
In my experience, Citrix offers a pretty viable alternative with xen if you want to stay on-prem
Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Can you name one peer that manages Citrix hypervisor?
LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol 11 months ago
Ah another company ruining the company they just acquired
fuckstick@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Is anyone really shocked? They publicly stated months ago that 70% of VMware’s profits come from Fortune 500 companies and that’s what they would focus on.
CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I saw this starting to happen around 2 years ago when they first hinted at this purchase. Instantly bought proxmox licenses (which are very cheap, by the way, in case you need help convincing some management people) for our hypervisors and haven’t looked back since. Very satisfied, very glad I’m not a VMware shop anymore.
packetloss@lemmy.world 11 months ago
We just renewed support for our socket based perpetual licences for 3 years. This gives us plenty of time to find an alternative solution.
jelloeater85@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I love VMware, but man are they being short sighted with this one.
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 11 months ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Broadcom has moved forward with plans to transition VMware, a virtualization and cloud computing company, into a subscription-based business.
However, in May, soon after announcing its plans to acquire VMware, Broadcom CEO Hock Tan signaled a “rapid transition” to subscriptions.
For years, software and even hardware vendors and investors have been pushing IT solution provider partners and customers toward recurring revenue models.
VMware’s blog this week listed “continuous innovation” and “faster time to value” as customer benefits for subscription models but didn’t detail how it came to those conclusions.
A CRN report in late November pointed to VMware partners hearing customer concern about potential price raises and a lack of support.
Howdyshell, CEO of Advizex, which reportedly made $30 million in VMware-tied revenue in 2022, told the publication that partners and customers were experiencing "significant concern and chaos” around VMware sales.
The original article contains 711 words, the summary contains 141 words. Saved 80%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Broadcom is one of the worst fuckin suppliers
phillaholic@lemm.ee 11 months ago
One of?
Darkaga@kbin.social 11 months ago
You have to leave room for Oracle.
grue@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Broadcom is really really bad, but there’s a lot of competition in that space.