Before nginx was a thing, I worked with a guy who forked apache httpd and wrote this blog in C, like, literally embedded html and css inside the server, so when he made a tpyo or was adding another post he had to recompile the source code. The performance was out of this world.
Yes
Submitted 11 months ago by mac@programming.dev to programmer_humor@programming.dev
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agilob@programming.dev 11 months ago
Schmeckinger@feddit.de 11 months ago
There are a lot of solutions like that in rust.
vox@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
but not the whole fucking prerendered static page
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Does a file lookup really take that long? Id say the trick was to have just plain old html with no bloat and you’re golden.
agilob@programming.dev 11 months ago
Blog content was stored in memory and it was served with zero-copy to the socket, so yea, it’s way faster. It was before times of php-fpm and opcache that we’re using now. Back then things were deployed and communicated using tcp sockets (tcp to rails, django or php) or reading from a disk, when the best HDDs were 5600rpm, but rare to find on shared hosting.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The answer is no. The more file is used the longer it sits in kernel filesystem cache. Getting file from cache versus having it in process memory is few function calls away all of which takes few microseconds. Which is negligible in comparison to network latency and other small issues that might be present in the code.
On few of our services we decided to store client configuration in JSON files on purpose instead of running with some sort of database storage. Accessing config is insanely fast and kernel makes sure that file is cached so when reading the file you always get fast and latest version. That service is currently handling around 100k requests a day, but we’ve had peaks in past that went up to almost a million requests a day.
Besides when it comes to human interaction and web sites you only need to get first contentful paint within one second. Anything above 1.5s will feel sluggish, but below 1s, it feels instant. That gives you on average around 800ms to send data back. Plenty of time unless you have a dependency nightmare and parse everything all the time.
justJanne@startrek.website 11 months ago
Ah, you met fefe.
sebsch@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Fefe used an LDAP server as backend, not Apache
bazsalanszky@lemmy.toldi.eu 11 months ago
This reminds me of one of my older projects. I wanted to learn more about network communications, so I started working on a simple P2P chat app. It wasn’t anything fancy, but I really enjoyed working on it. One challenge I faced was that, at the time, I didn’t know how to listen for user input while handling network communication simultaneously. So, after I had managed to get multiple TCP sockets working on one thread, I thought, why not open another socket for HTTP communication? That way, I could incorporate a fancy web UI instead of just a CLI interface.
So, I wrote a simple HTTP server, which, in hindsight, might not have been necessary.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Nothing good old cache can’t solve. Compile JS and CSS. Bundle CSS with main HTML file and send it in batches since HTTP2 supports chunkifying your output. HTTP prefers one big stream over multiple smaller anyway. So that guy was only inviting trouble for himself.
agilob@programming.dev 11 months ago
You’re telling me about compiling JS, to my story that is so old… I had to check. and yes, JS existed back then. HTTP2? Wasn’t even planned. This was still when IRC communities weren’t sure if LAMP is Perl or PHP because both were equally popular ;)
fireflash38@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What if, get this, we put the bash scripts in yaml. And then put it in kubernetes.
PupBiru@kbin.social 11 months ago
well now you’re just describing ansible
Vash63@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Very, very bad Ansible.
nxdefiant@startrek.website 11 months ago
Have you considered embedding python in those bash scripts? I have done this, and it is glorious.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
This is false, you also need vim and tmux
Rin@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Idk about you but I use echo and sed to edit my files.
clearleaf@lemmy.world 11 months ago
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m currently trying to relearn all my advanced bash in python.
aes@lemm.ee 11 months ago
i already learned how to use my operating system, now you’re telling me I have to learn a new library that does the exact same shit?
bort@feddit.de 11 months ago
no, you’ll also have to learns each libraries special quirks for your OS
tdawg@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Just for fun or do you have a specific thing you feel would be better in python?
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Certain things I want to do will be easier in python and will be more portable. But bash is my home.
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 11 months ago
Just don’t call it with ‘!#/bin/sh’. Because that’s POSIX shell, not bash.
philm@programming.dev 11 months ago
but effectively it’s bash, I think
/bin/shis a symlink to bash on every system I know of…MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 11 months ago
Still don’t do this. If you use bash specific syntax with this head, that’s a bashism and causes issues with people using zsh for example. Or with Debian/*buntu, who use dash as init shell.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 months ago
No no no no no, do not believe this you will shoot yourself in the foot.
Beginning with DebianSqueeze, Debian uses Dash as the target of the /bin/sh symlink. Dash lacks many of the features one would expect in an interactive shell, making it faster and more memory efficient than Bash.
From DebianSqueeze to DebianBullseye, it was possible to select bash as the target of the /bin/sh symlink (by running dpkg-reconfigure dash). As of DebianBookworm, this is no longer supported.
SurpriseWaterfall@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
It is a symlink, but bash will automatically enable posix compliance mode if you use it. So any bash specific features will bomb out unless you explicitly reset it in the script.
UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Wut that is not even the case for Ubuntu. You’re probably thinking of
dashexample:sh -c '[[ true ]] && echo ya' # sh: 1: [[: not found bash -c '[[ true ]] && echo ya' # ya
callyral@pawb.social 11 months ago
i thought most unix-like systems had it symlinked to a shell like
dash. it’s what i have on my system.i use
#!/bin/shfor posix scripts and#!/usr/bin/env bashfor bash scripts.#!/bin/shworks for posix scripts since even if it’s symlinked to bash, bash still supports posix features.Aatube@kbin.social 11 months ago
macOS
Debian
Ubuntu
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I feel like this with Python these days.
DriftinGrifter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Me when micropython isn’t fast enough to give my microcontroller complex real-time responses
Maoo@hexbear.net 11 months ago
You’re not at scale unless you’re deploying OpenStack to run a WordPress site.
msage@programming.dev 11 months ago
Which is hilarious since PHP scales incredibly well on its own.
Maoo@hexbear.net 11 months ago
Regrettably, it does do that
moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 11 months ago
No I swear, I was gonna do more than that.
Maybe like, a static site as well. And a backup server. Y’know, things you need openstack for.
looks away guiltily
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Never sed when you can bash.
cyborganism@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
All you need are Bash scripts with chroot and cgroups and some ssh access.
einfach_orangensaft@feddit.de 11 months ago
i feel this
onlinepersona@programming.dev 11 months ago
The dude on the right is some neckbeard who yells “RTFM” and “i use Arch btw ;)” IRL.
asw13c@programming.dev 11 months ago
wow
asw13c@programming.dev 11 months ago
d
wolo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
my website’s backend is made with bash, it calls make for every request and it probably has hundreds remote arbitrary code execution bugs that will get me pwned someday, it’s great
camr_on@lemmy.world 11 months ago
For my own sanity, I choose to believe you’re lying
PupBiru@kbin.social 11 months ago
who hurt you?
agent_flounder@lemmy.world 11 months ago
These wounds appear to be self-inflicted.
wolo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
i thought it was neat how php lets you write your website’s logic with the same directory tree pattern that clients consume it from, but i didn’t want to learn php so i made my own, worse version
Fashim@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I pity the hacker who ends up in your system
agilob@programming.dev 11 months ago
You live like this?
wolo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
I’ve taken some precautions, it’s running in a container as an unprivileged user and the only writable mount is the directory where make writes rendered pages, but i probably should move it into a vm if i want to be completely safe lol
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 11 months ago
I designed a chip architecture that runs bash code on silicon.
I reimplemented x86 assembly in purely bash script.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Seek help.
Belzebubulubu@mujico.org 11 months ago
lord forgive me for I have sinned.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 11 months ago
you do realize that you can just use Apache instead of writing yournown rudt prigram for this, as this is more or less the CGI standard?
wolo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
I know about the CGI standard, but mine does things a little differently (executable files don’t just render pages but also handle logging, access control, etc. when put in special positions within a directory), so I still think it was worth the afternoon i spent making it.