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Microsoft may replace the Start button with the Copilot AI in Windows 12

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Steve0Greatness@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-may-replace-the-Start-button-with-the-Copilot-AI-in-Windows-12.762176.0.html

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  • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I still remeber installing a third-party start menu on Windows 8 because fuck the Metro.

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    • The_v@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I started on Win8 and have never stopped. Currently using Startallback on windows 11 for my wife. It works so much better.

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    • ElBarto@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Stardock? I’ve been installing stardock on every windows computer since xp, I’m on Linux now, but if I ever end up back on windows, it will be back.

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  • TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    W8 vibes.

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  • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Kill it with fire!

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  • nibble4bits@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And what if I don’t agree to their privacy policy? Are they really handing over that crucial part of windows to 3rd parties if we don’t want our habits tracked?

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    • doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s impossible to use windows without giving up basically all data privacy already. Microsoft’s position for at least the last ten years has basically been ‘give up all your digital privacy to us or find another OS.’

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      • Sanyanov@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And so we did. Linux users unite

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  • JRaccoon@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Good luck, because last time they tried to replace the Start menu with a new UI went so well…

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  • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is the worst timeline.

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  • indigomirage@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ugh. I really, really don’t want an Apple. And I’ve got stuff that simply will not run in Linux. (Would very much like to switch fully over to Linux again…)

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    • Bipta@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You sound so much like me with the, "again."

      I think the second time is the charm with jumping to Linux.

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      • indigomirage@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I used to use it as a daily driver about 20 years ago. I use it on an old laptop currently (though thunderbird is… unpleasant).

        I use WSL constantly.

        I’m quite familiar with Linux.

        But until hardware vendors actually support the OS, it’s a matter of scraping some eager coder’s git repo for things that work. Sort of. But not really.

        Very frustrating.

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    • LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think something to remember is that a lot of people forget is that you can run an unsupported version of windows as long as the devs of your required software support it.

      And sure there is the whole security scare, but I’d say while there are risks, as a Linux user you know a lot more about avoiding dodgy links and whatnot then most people so you’re at a much lower risk.

      So if you run a VM and use something like atlasOS to get a nicer windows 10 experience you can use that for years to come.

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    • Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just curious - what stuff?

      Dual boot for just that thing?

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      • indigomirage@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Two main things are Lightroom and Maschine.

        I know about Darktable. And lots of others. The photo editing application is the easy part - lots of options. The lightroom secret sauce is fully integrated workflow with mobile and desktop. I am content to pay money for this as it deserves to cost money. However, Adobe does not play nicely with Linux. For this use case, I could likely dual boot (or virtual box).

        Music production is a challenge though. Dual booting isn’t an option as it’s my main use case. Maschine (the HW) doesn’t run on Linux. Yes, I know someone a few years ago wrote a partially functional driver for a previous incarnation of the HW, that works in midi mode, but that’s not how I use it. Paid good money for it - not keen on burning it.

        I even considered running it in a box (assuming can pass through the usb), but as I started to tally up the dependencies, I would come close to having to put it all on the vbox, ending up with a setup that could only be appreciated by the most zealous Rube Goldberg afficionado…

        On the software side, I can likely get wrappers to run a lot of it, but it’s an ongoing dice roll. The DAW is easy (Reaper). But I have a bunch of stuff I use constantly that I paid for and I don’t want the OS to work against me. (And I want to be able to hold the vendors’ feet to the feet when things don’t work properly - I’ve had support concerns (for legit bugs) that fell on deaf ears when I said I use Reaper, which was not officially supported by a certain vendor. How much luck would I have with Linux?

        Then there’s the audio interface. Yes - it’ll probably run. But it’s certainly not supported.

        Unless vendors actually start supporting Linux (flatpaks/snappaks/whatever would be just dandy), running Linux remains an obstacle, not a solution. However, they won’t start supporting until user base grows. Chicken. Egg. Ugh.

        It’s most unfortunate - I definitely try to kick tires on it to see if it’s feasible every few years, but I continue to hit a wall.

        In the meantime, I, and, I hope others will keep pressure up on vendors whenever possible.

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  • 601error@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Gross

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  • blackstampede@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Seems like there’s a need for someone to create tools that strip the latest windows release down to a minimal install, convert all of the smart features back into db menus, standardize the locations of options, and give you opt-in features instead of opt-out.

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    • Steve0Greatness@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think at least the first one kind-of exists, but I haven’t tried Tiny11 so it really couldn’t say if it does; at the very least it shows that Windows ISOs can be modified.

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  • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So glad I’m using Linux for my gaming needs.

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  • Quexotic@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The more of a PITA windows is, the more willing I, and everyone, will be to deal with Linux. Lol.

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    • Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The more people that use Linux, the better it will get! It’s win win!

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      • Quexotic@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I hadn’t thought about it that way. Thank you!

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    • aniki@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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      • Quexotic@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think there’s a very real part of that which is because Microsoft charges for people to get certifications and how to handle their operating system. If it was documented really well and easy to work with at a low level, then they wouldn’t be able to sell any of their training would they?

        This is how I feel about every single vendor that I work with. Specifically designed to be obtuse and difficult to understand so that after sales services must be purchased in order for the product to be usable.

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  • anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Nope

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  • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Good riddance, Windows.

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  • kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They’ve never had any respect for their users intelligence. Microsoft and Adobe both. They are absolutely convinced people are too stupid to figure things out without multiple popup boxes that require confirmation to close. They will build windows with the stupidest human being alive in mind and drive away users that don’t have the patience to be talked down to every moment.

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  • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Install Linux, get rid of microshit crap

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  • r00ty@kbin.life ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Microsoft: Not enough people are using our snazzy AI we spent a lot of time and money developing. Whatever should we do?
    Also Microsoft: Force the users to use it!

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  • NecoArcKbinAccount@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    is this an out of season April fools joke?

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  • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean… fuck that noise.

    But also? That is actually a really good idea. The start menu was always fundamentally flawed and it took the bullshit that was windows 7 (?) to make me realize that. Clicking and navigating through nested menus and trying to guess whether a piece of software was listed by company, the app name, or something else was always a mess. Which is why winkey “dawn of war” was the optimal solution.

    And as third party app stores (e.g. Steam) may or may not even bother to make a start menu entry to begin with? Having something that can search your computer AND distinguish between “the document that lists what primes I need to farm” and “the Warframe game itself” is a really good idea.

    But yeah… I do not want “AI” based shit in an OS that is known to have a crapton of telemetry that gets toggled back on every time it silently runs an update.

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    • ubermeisters@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Windows 10 for some reason broke the handy functionality of wind key and typing program names in for me. Installed programs sometimes won’t even show up when I hit the Windows key and start typing the program name. I’ve even made sure it’s not a search or indexing issue. Windows just has zero reason to be better than it is.

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      • ares35@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        between pinned items in start menu and on the taskbar, putting quicklaunch back and populating it, and a few desktop shortcuts... i maybe 'search' for an application like that once a year, at most.

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  • throws_lemy@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yikes!!

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  • Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Rip windows, another victim of AI

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  • only0218@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What’s next, Android like Launcher? And screw you for trying to open loose files! >!/s!<

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  • 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This whole “the customers want what we tell them to” attitude has really taken off, hasn’t it?

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  • Sygheil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    SkyNet OS v1.2

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  • jayandp@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Image

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  • gunpachi@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    When I have to use windows, I mostly use an application called Flow Launcher to open Apps. So I really don’t miss the start button much.

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  • Drbreen@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This sounds great, I hope they do it!

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  • halvo317@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And with that, I’m out

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  • boredtortoise@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sure I’ll try it. If it improves my workflows I’ll use it

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  • pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    this is why im not going past windows 11

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