It is like a bunch of the self-driving companies are trying to kill the tech by making the public turn against them.
Cruise Self-Driving License Revoked After It Withheld Pedestrian Injury Footage, DMV Says
Submitted 1 year ago by dantheclamman@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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virr@lemmy.world 1 year ago
ours@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nah, it’s just that the “fail fast” process doesn’t work or more accurately isn’t acceptable for critical life-or-death systems.
blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was stoked for them to get here. My entire life between my house and my kid’s school is inundated in self driving cars. I live it. I fucking hate them. And elderly people in Teslas.
Pipoca@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s a good solution here: walkable, mixed use neighborhoods.
Self driving cars are just going to make traffic worse, by increasing people’s tolerance to traffic.
piecat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Who would do that
Aleric@lemmy.world 1 year ago
[deleted]Guru_Insights99@lemm.ee 1 year ago
While I respect your right to express your opinion, I must state that your allegations against Cruise are unsubstantiated and defamatory. Cruise is a company that has consistently demonstrated its commitment to innovation and safety. The company employs a highly skilled and dedicated workforce, and it is unfair to generalize about the entire organization based on your limited experience.
macattack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Troll account that purposefully takes the losing side of debates: alexandrite.app/…/Guru_Insights99@lemm.ee
blabber6285@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
While I respect your right to express your opinion, I must state that your opinion is just as valid or void as the previous. I couldn’t know which. How would I?
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was in SF recently and got stuck behind a self driving car that was trying to turn down a closed street. The street had a police barrier up and it just sat there with its blinker on waiting for the street to open up. Meanwhile, everyone behind it is stuck there waiting for it to make a turn that it would never be able to make.
Eventually, after sitting in traffic for ten minutes, not knowing what was up, cars in front of me started to move around it and then I realized what was going on. I understand why people hate these things.
Rediphile@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
To be fair, I had a similar thing happen a human driver the other day. Except there was no barricade…they just wouldn’t turn. They finally made the left turn on the fourth yellow lol.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It takes a lot to make Tesla look bad in comparison.
R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Are we sure Tesla hasn’t done this too? Sounds like something they’d do.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m confident they have failed similarly.
ji59@kbin.social 1 year ago
I would guess the autonomous vehicle is safer then the hit & run driver who threw the pedestrian under that AV.
dantheclamman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
then they shouldn’t have tried to cover it up
MrSqueezles@lemm.ee 1 year ago
because a human driver would have handed that dash cam footage right over voluntarily.
I agree this is terrible and DMV did the right thing. Context helps.
acceptable_pumpkin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Perhaps, but withholding footage is not a good look. Good thing the police never withholds foota… oh
TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 year ago
When DMV asked for footage of that part of the incident, Cruise provided it.
So they were a little sneaky in not presenting all the evidence up front, but they didn’t really withhold it in as bad a way as the title implies.
dellish@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is why we have “guilt by omission”
TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yes but for that to stick there has to be a clear obligation to present everything. Frankly, I don’t think they lost their licence because of the omission, but because of what happened - this article is just trying to make the story more dramatic. Even the title subtly implies this, the licence wasn’t revoked “because” it withheld footage, but “after”.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
I live in the Bay Area and mostly ignored these developments because I primarily stick to East Bay. But as my new job has me going to SF on a semi-regular basis, I can’t help but be mildly afraid of getting taken out by an AV. Gdi.
dantheclamman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yesterday I saw a couple, including a Waymo that passed a few feet away as I got in my car. It proceeded without incident but I couldn’t help feeling nervous to trust that its lidar saw me and it interpreted me as a human.
Goronmon@kbin.social 1 year ago
It proceeded without incident but I couldn’t help feeling nervous to trust that its lidar saw me and it interpreted me as a human.
I can't say I view an average driver with any more trust though.
lettruthout@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Instead let’s have more light rail and electric buses please.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As a disabled dude, let’s have both. I can’t make the short trip to my nearby bus stop, this would be taxes that I would never benefit from. But personal cars or services like these, I can make it down my driveway.
It blows my mind how many people, when talking about transportation, just completely forget that not totally-capable people exist. I guess we are all supposed to stay in one place and never go anywhere due to a physical disability.
I’ll happily vote for taxes to enhance public transport, if everyone votes to keep services like these also improving and growing, especially in areas where municipal services are lacking or completely unavailable. Uber and Lyft were my only access to restaurants and groceries for a time. Shit gets expensive, but it’s better than literally having to beg friends to get my groceries every week.
Just don’t forget about those who can’t enjoy the infrastructure.
SeaJ@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Does your city not have a service where a small bus goes to your door? Here in Seattle you book a ride to where you need to go the day before and they come and pick you up. Heck, the small town I grew up (2500 people) in the middle of nowhere had a similar service.
zurohki@aussie.zone 1 year ago
During COVID lockdowns, when lots of people had to work from home, people who couldn’t work from home were all talking about how much faster it was to get to work and there was hardly any traffic on the roads.
Even if public transport doesn’t benefit someone directly, getting a bunch of other people off the road still will.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I understand you can’t access it as it is now, but ideally we’d have systemic change that would allow you to access public transport. I don’t know what your handicap is, but (other than immune system issues) I don’t see what could be wrong that is impossible for public transport to be built to allow for. Sure, you have to get to it, but that could be made a lot easier if we weren’t in a system designed for cars where everything is a million miles away.
I could be totally wrong. I have no idea of anything about you. I just would prefer a system that helps everyone, which these cars won’t. In particular, impoverished people are going to be even more fucked if we start accepting this as an option for handling disabilities. It doesn’t seem like a good idea.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 1 year ago
there were legal taxis before uber, uber or self driving cars don’t really change anything in that regard
dantheclamman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes, this is an underappreciated angle. Ridesharing bridges the gap for many people excluded by other forms of transit. My mom has limited mobility and ridesharing has really helped her.
hiddengoat@kbin.social 1 year ago
No shit. If you need to move people just look at where the most people are moved... airports. Every major airport has buses and rail in and out. There's no reason for cities to be built around individual transport when individuals are rarely transporting more than themselves.
SynAcker@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Except for Detroit. That’s because putting in light rail down the middle of the highway that could support it between the airport and Detroit city proper would actually make sense and we don’t like that around here. Also, the Motor City hates bus services. Am I salty? Perhaps.
aniki@lemm.ee 1 year ago
dantheclamman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It cost nearly $350 million to install a 2-mile-long rapid bus lane on Van Ness Maybe future expansions will be cheaper based on lessons learned, but it’s clear that any infrastructure in SF is tremendously complicated and expensive. Doesn’t mean it’s not worth pursuing!
Changetheview@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Creating new public infrastructure in the US can be extremely expensive, but it’s definitely still worth pursuing.
Nearly every in-depth study shows that for every $1 invested, the economic return is somewhere around $4-$5. And on top of that, failing to have adequate public infrastructure can cause serious economic consequences, which are compounded in areas with a lack of affordable housing.
Even though this article is a little old and sponsored by a party with a vested interest on the topic, I think it’s worth a read:
www.politico.com/…/when-public-transit
In my opinion, the problem for the US is convincing people/businesses that it’s worth it. Shifting away from cars and increasing investments in public infrastructure are two fairly unpopular measures right now, despite the actual economic evidence being overwhelming positive.
To me, it’s a solid example of where great leaders are needed to do something temporarily unpopular for the long term benefit of the constituents.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah public engineering projects are crazy expensive. Roads included. I’m not saying this stuff will be cheap, just that not doing it is causing pretty awful problems