Lemmy developer, @SleeplessOne1917, argues for the killing of Israeli civilians and children

Submitted ⁨⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨onefriend1@lemmy.ca⁩ to ⁨fediverse@lemmy.world⁩

In the recent Lemmy developer update, there’s a reference to one new Lemmy developer, SleeplessOne1917.

I found some horrifying comments from this user.

lemmygrad.ml/comment/2649200 - “There is no such thing as an Israeli civilian. All settlers are valid targets.”

lemmygrad.ml/comment/2649472 - “15 year olds are military age. That makes them valid targets for killing.”

lemmygrad.ml/comment/2649732 - “… There is no such thing as a zionoid civilian. Everything that moves and isn’t Palestinian is a valid target. …”

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NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Friendly reminder that it’s very easy to sympathize with the plight of the Palestinians without glorifying terrorists.

For a similar example, I support the cause of a United Ireland but that doesn’t mean I support the IRA. Be better than that.

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clueless_stoner@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Let’s keep in mind this doesn’t really mean anything for Lemmy instances. It is open source.

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- Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  True, but there are not very many people contributing a lot of code, so this guy has a lot of sway over which items get prioritized out of the massive backlog.
  
  And as a mod, I’d really like the few people coding to produce some expanded moderation tools… so I can easily spot and address toxic comments like the ones this dev makes.
  
  IMHO, this guys behavior feels like it conflicts his current influence over Lemmy’s mod toolset.
  
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  - Ategon@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Ive been working on a soft fork of lemmy called Pangora to prioritize development on different areas that the main lemmy codebase has been neglecting. Gives a different option than the main lemmy codebase for supporting development and as redundancy for if anything goes wrong (although not production ready atm as its still getting mostly set up) !pangora@programming.dev
    
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TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There is no indication whatsoever that @SleeplessOne1917 is the same person as @cannotsleep420. Jesus, people, stop pissing yourselves for the literal 30 seconds it took to fact check this bullshit claim.

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- NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You might want to reinvestigate. @cannotsleep420 is the one that made those comments and they are a dev.
  
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  - TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    In the recent Lemmy developer update, there’s a reference to one Lemmy developer, SleeplessOne1917.
    
    I found some horrifying comments from this user.
    
    The post then lists comments from /u/cannotsleep420@lemmygrad.ml, however the text over the name is SleeplessOne (without the number on the end). This account is also on lemmygrad, the lemmy devs’ main accounts are on lemmy.ml. Do you have anything to verify that they’re the same person, or that they are another dev? Because I see no “CannotSleep420” mentioned on the github page. The main two are actually /u/dessalines@lemmy.ml and /u/nutomic@lemmy.ml.
    
    Next you’ll be telling me that Hollywood actress Margot Robbie also moderates round these parts.
    
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  - TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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- TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  FYI, you can make an instance agnostic link just by typing /u/SleeplessOne1917@lemmy.ml.
  
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  - can@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Doesn’t work for me. @SleeplessOne1917@lemmy.ml does though
    
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  - TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Nice tip, thank you. Still fumbling my way around…
    
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Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You know, I came to lemmy because I was disgusted with the reddit admins and devs. And this shit just is not helping.

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- TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  For the most part, Lemmy instances are separate from the developers. But the great thing about ActivityPub and the fediverse is that we can move platforms and keep the same content. Kbin can subscribe to the same communities that Lemmy can.
  
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  - Chariotwheel@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah, this is one of the best parts of the fediverse. It's not just another plattform like Reddit. It's a bunch of Plattforms of various services, even Lemmy is just hundreds of small Reddits that connect to each other. Meaning we are not beholden to one person like on Reddit to participate in the fediverse.
    
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- 520@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Understand that the Lemmy devs do not have ultimate power over your instance, and that your instance admins may feel very differently to them
  
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- TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The difference here is that these people aren’t really running the show. They’re in charge of the main development branch, but that’s just back end code, and it is (or should be) reviewed by every admin when they use it to implement their instance. Development can be adopted or forked by other people, should politics get in the way.
  
  It’s the morals of your own instance and its admin that are most important, these are the ones synonymous with reddit’s staff. In fact, it’s possible for the instance to put whatever code they want up. It can easily be non-standard to official lemmy, so you really are trusting them rather than the main lemmy devs.
  
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- TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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  - p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Joined two hours ago, and this subject is literally the only thing OP has posted about, on four different forums.
    
    Is it too much to ask for minimum requirements for posting in a community?
    
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- JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  IMO believing that someone’s work can become tainted by their beliefs is a form of magical thinking.
  
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- bioemerl@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Switch to kbin!
  
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Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
What a creepy asshole. He should probbaly get back to /pol/, seems like he’d fit on there better.

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flossdaily@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
What a special piece of shit he is.

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Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I thought we were already aware that the devs are deranged lmao

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- Railcar8095@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  *hexbears: that’s why I’m here
  
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ExLisper@linux.community ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Personally, I would accept a PR from a convicted murderer if the code was good. It would be a problem I would have to have meetings with this person but if he just submits code why would I care? There are no political opinions in code. It’s not like code written by a rapist somehow pollutes my codebase.

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- GeneralVincent@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yeah the code might be fine. But if I want to support the development of Lemmy, say with a donation, am I financially supporting a piece of shit?
  
  I’m not saying every contributor has to be thoroughly vetted, or that I have to agree politically with every contributor. It just feels icky, and I get the concern users have.
  
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  - GONADS125@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I donate to Lemmy.world but that doesn’t go to this Lemmy dev in question, only Ruud and his team. You can donate to specific instance admins who aren’t batshit crazy hateful scumbags.
    
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  - ExLisper@linux.community ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Interesting point. Well, if it’s up to me I would even share the donations with this piece of shit. Because what do you mean by “supporting him”? Letting him earn some money by doing work? What’s the alternative? Letting him starve to death? Personally I’m against death penalty so I do believe that even the worst piece of shit has the right to work and earn living. And frankly, writing code seams to be perfect way for such a person to do it: they are not around other people so no one is in danger and they are not spreading his sick opinions. And people like this earning their living are better than society maintaining them out of our taxes.
    
    It absolutely does not make anything ‘icky’, it’s a silly way to look at it, childish really. If a convicted murder bags your groceries is your food icky? If a child rapist cleans your street is the street icky?
    
    And here we’re not talking about murder or rape, just some online posts. Opinions don’t taint code. I know people like to cancel everyone now but this is really getting absurd. The only “concern” users have is a concern that this week they didn’t get outraged enough and didn’t cancel enough people.
    
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willya@lemmyf.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Anyone is able to contribute to the code. Are you saying we need background checks before contributions? Also as pointed out in another comment you didn’t prove any connection between the two usernames either.

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NotAPenguin@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The Lemmy devs are tankies, they also deny chinese human rights violations and deny genocides.

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- EmhyrVarEmreis@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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  - NotAPenguin@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It's not something I think, it's a fact.
    
    I'm already on kbin :)
    
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  - puppy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Did you just ask a Kbin user to delete their Lemmy account? LOL
    
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  - GONADS125@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Why should they tuck their tail instead of calling out the narrow-minded hateful idiots? They’re a sad little fringe minority.
    
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- EmhyrVarEmreis@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Block lemmy and move on
  
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Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Idc about his political views. I’m still thankful he is talking the time to working on developing lemmy.

Right now there’s a million spicy takes on this conflict.

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- DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Good God man.
  
  Just because there are competing perspectives does not mean that all perspectives are equally appropriate.
  
  Just because someone does something that benefits you personally does not give them a free pass for being a fuck head
  
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  - Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    He made the comment on an instance that supports that kind of extreme speech. The comment was appropriate in the place that he made it. I don’t care if someone’s a fuck head its not a big deal to me.
    
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- NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I for one would prefer that the dev of the tools I use doesn’t celebrate the deaths of children just because of where they happened to be born. Calling that just a “spicy take” is ridiculous.
  
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  - twistypencil@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Let’s read it correctly, instead of distorting it. The quotes above argued that 15yr Olds are valid targets, not celebrating their death and not all all children. I realize the difference doesn’t matter much, but in discussion is better to be clear
    
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  - Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That’s a fine opinion to have.
    
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- Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Would you feel the same if he supported nazis putting jewish people into gas chambers?
  
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  - HuddaBudda@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one.
    
    I imagine you look into someone's life deep enough, there is eventually something you are going to disagree ethically about.
    
    I think that is why it is important to have the conversation, rather then pretend the issue doesn't exist. Because that is what Israel has been doing for 20 years. It is also why the people of Israel and Palestine have bodies in the streets.
    
    This is 20 years of inaction boiling over into one single event. We either learn the lesson, or continue in ignorance.
    
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  - Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’m sure some of the Foss software I use has had nazis contribute. It doesn’t worry me what a random non political figure says on the internet.
    
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- bappity@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  this is not just some “political views” or a “spicy take” this is someone advocating for the murder of a group of people. you can’t just centrist your way out of this
  
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onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This is difficult. I don’t contribute code yet, but knowing that these kind of people might have a say in the development of Lemmy, I’m not sure I want to contribute. Maybe !pangora@programming.dev will be more welcoming… dunno.

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DmMacniel@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
War is dirty, always has been.

And the year/decade long war/geconide in Palestine/Israel? Sponsored by the west and an utter humanitarian shitshow.

Standing on their own, those statements are sure horrible. But you gotta see the grand picture, then you can only despair and perhaps turn your gaze away or you will be plagued by sleepless nights.

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amio@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Welp. This has been an education in how deranged this place is.

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- puppy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This place we are on right now is lemmy.ca. What does it say about it?
  
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cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
How about we stop both sides from killing people considering it’s been going on for hundreds of years and nothing has changed.

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- 52fighters@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This conflict doesn't exist in isolation. This is part of a larger geo-political struggle with the decline of US influence in the region being taken-up by Iran. Much of this could have been avoided if the US never invaded Iraq. If only I had a time machine...
  
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  - bioemerl@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Much of this could have been avoided if the US never invaded Iraq. If only I had a time machine...
    
    Ehh. Lots of problems could be fixed by that, but not really this one.
    
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A_A@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
1st & 2nd of these are inside a post at news@hexbear.net (not lemmygrad.ml)

it has 490 upvotes, is locked & it is radically pro Palestine and anti Israel.

Not defending this user, just looking at the context.

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djquadratic@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Unfortunately this is a very classic far leftist take. Easy to blindly justify a cause you’ve been told to believe in when you simply dehumanize what you’ve been told are the villains

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- JungleJim@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Seriously? Unlike all the warm supportive right wing dehumanization. That person is sick. They’d be sick on either side of the aisle. Making this a left/right thing is small of you. I don’t know you so I didn’t expect better, but in a general sense I hoped people were better than what you’ve demonstrated here.
  
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  - Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No. It is horseshoe theory.
    
    Left or right, the extremists are generally extremely prone to manipulation
    
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- puppy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  If you go far enough you wouldn’t be able tell a far leftist from a far right winger. Because they are the same person.
  
  There has been genocides in the past from both sides. One indicator that a faction is going unhinged is that they become authoritarian. They start seeing in black and white and loose their humanity. This can be observed in both left and right. The massacres from the left are brought up all the time, so I’ll bring one up by the right to make it balanced. Don’t forget that the US dropped 2 nuclear bombs on civilians.
  
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gelberhut@lemdro.id ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I remember when extreme political views of main Lemmy Devs (which are/where admins s of lemmygrad as well, if I recall correctly) were discussed here several times, people suggested to ignore them and focus on their work. Donate for Lemmy development, not to the persons…

what concrete solution do you see, switch to kbin? Continue to separate development from their other activities?

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- shagie@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  When people make their professional (developer contributing to FOSS software) and their personal identity the same - especially when there are a limited number of people as representatives of the project or organization the personal views run the risk of causing issues for the professional organization.
  
  This was seen before when Richard Stallman’s less than savory views on some current events of the time came to light and the blowback on FSF.
  
  Having the two original developers be pro China at the time, with funding from NLNet is one thing… but to be actively seeking donations and looking to get enough funding that they can hire more developers - and that may include this individual… that runs the risk of bringing more politics into the core group. That in turn runs the risk of having this be “we’re looking for donations to pay these people.”
  
  We’ve seen it in other companies - where someone on social media representing the company says something “off” and gets fired.
  
  The only way for a financial contributions to “fire” a core group contributor is to withhold funding from the project.
  
  I’ll say it quite frankly - I do not want one iota of any donations that I make to go to this individual.
  
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  - gelberhut@lemdro.id ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    In this thread people often talk about “a contributor”. However, lemmy’s the core dev teams has a very specific “political view” which is coupled with the project. The project was started to serve people with that “political view”. And this makes really hard to decouple project and the people who drive it.
    
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- bioemerl@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  switch to kbin?
  
  Switch to kbin
  
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  - sj_zero ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I'm hoping lotide federates with kbin soon.
Nacktmull@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There are many people who take sides in this complex conflict and then argue about it like there would be one good and one evil side. That is already pretty dumb in my opinion because what matters is not who is to blame but the question how to achieve peace. Then there are inhumane and misanthropic anti-Semites like sleeplessone1917 - disgusting!

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dumdum666@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Good time to switch to Kbin I guess

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lath@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Lack of sleep is known to make people irritable, paranoid and experience audio and visual hallucinations. Remember to always catch up on your sleep in order to stay healthy.

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