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• LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Good luck, there’s a reason that conservatism is inundated with hate.

  It might be a lot easier to re-evaluate your own moral compass and realize that maybe if everyone you want to hang out with is full of hate, you need to find a new crowd.

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  • astraeus@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Everyone is capable of grandstanding and shit-throwing. Politics just so happens to bring out the worst in people

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    • magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “In most cases, those who want power probably shouldn't have it, those who enjoy it probably do so for the wrong reasons, and those who want most to hold on to it don't understand that it's only temporary.”

      ― John C. Maxwell

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  • Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s telling that OP will answer other comments, but not this one. Where you at, InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzero.com?

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    • ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Uncertain why but your tag did not give an notification.

      To the question, it is not that ‘’I want to hang out with other hateful people’’ In fact, I do not at all. Majority with who I spent time with (real life and online) are left-leaning.

      I was just curious if there are any conservative place without the hate but, it seems not. I thought Lemmy was a bit different in the sense that, I could question such a thing but to my surprise – I cannot.

      Majority here freaks out about the question and start to hate. You have an different opinion than the majority here? Hate and downvotes it will be, just like Reddit. Which is fine, it’s online and anonymity does its job (I suppose lol).

      People here perceive me suddenly ‘’hateful & bigot’’ due to 1 different opinion and 1 question which is funny to be honest. Even more funnier with the fact that, I actually have friends who are in LGBTQ and/or are in different political mindset, religion etc. The ‘’issue’’ I’m having is that I do not really fit either of the spectrum. Not Left nor Right, each time I end up in the middle (Centrum right). Therefore I was wondering how the right-side would be without the focus on hating but it seems, no luck to that.

      Hope this answers the question. If not, feel free to tell and I will retry to explain it.

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• Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Since you were unwilling to be open or direct with your beliefs (a hallmark of conservatism), I did you the favor of looking through your comment history to try and find the disconnect. And I did.

  You seem just as insufferable as other conservatives, just more sexist than racist, which is not an improvement.

  At the end of the day, the right is about abusing people infavor of financial gains and controlling their lives. Whatever justification they apply to it is irrelevant. In every country all over the planet, they use different reasons but the political right is always about controlling people.

  So you’re looking for a community without hate, but your only willing to look at abusive communities. You’re not going to find it. You need to ask yourself, why are you a conservative and why do you still want to be part of them?

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  • ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So, I’m goin to assume you’re talking about the comments on the thing with soccer? I still stand with it. If that’s not it, uncertain what you’re pointing to. If it sexism to say “we do not know everything as viewer”, well yeah. We got different mindset to that.

    Looking at abusiveness communities, such as? I just meant that, most places are filled with hateful stuff and I’m unable to find one that’s not like that.

    I commented on someone else which might explain why, I’m more leaning to the right ( at least I think that’s explain it, if not let me know).

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    • Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It wasn’t that you didn’t believe her, its your complete dismissal of everyone who disagreed with you as “making it personal”. You behave like a stereotypical conservative. You act as though you’re the only person who can see it clearly and objectively, when it’s pretty obvious from the outside that you can only imagine the situation from his perspective.

      I’m referring to all conservative communities as abusive. You can’t find one that isn’t hateful because that’s what conservatives are.

      If you wanted to lay out some of your beliefs I could tell you generally where you would align stateside, but you seem to not want to actually discuss what you believe.

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    • SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh look, a conservative that doesn’t belive in consent.

      What a surprise.

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  • DieguiTux8623@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I really don’t understand the reason of such a bitter and disrespect response to a politely posed question. Shouldn’t leftists be more tolerant than their right wing counterpart? Or maybe people are starting to be so ill-tempered just because they are systematically losing all elections in Europe and US?

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    • Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I read his comments and judged him based on how he choose to present himself. I think thats a pretty fair way to make assumptions about a person, based on their words. I responded accordingly and advised him that if he didn’t feel he fit in that category he may want to reconsider how he identify his beliefs.

      Also, learn about the tolerance paradox and you’ll understand why the left are currently so strongly against the right. Also, the left is making great gains in the US, the right is the side losing seats.

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    • morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Conservatives attempted to overthrow my country on 1/6/21. Why do they deserve respect after that? A reasonable, moral person would see that and choose to stop being conservative.

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    • phillaholic@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You don’t have to tolerate intolerance.

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    • magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It annoys me, and it’s not a good look, but to a point, I can understand what’s behind it.

      In the past, conservatives had a greater respect for education and fair debate. There was more tolerance for moderate views. In recent years, things have gotten increasingly emotional and extreme. I can attribute some of the disrespect to frustration with that change.

      You’re right, though - this IS a politely posed question. None of what I was talking about above applies here. It’s inappropriate to attack OP for their beliefs when they’re going out of their way to be diplomatic.

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• magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I understand what you miss. So do I.

  I’m pretty liberal, but I remember when American conservatism wasn’t so extreme and cruel (not obviously, anyway). Now, open hatred is used as a selling point.

  Conservatism is something I usually disagreed with, but could at least respect. When I was younger, even then I couldn’t deny that there we a lot of smart conservatives. Sure, I had different opinions than they did, but I couldn’t just write them off as idiots or lunatics. They had good reasons for thinking they way they did. I usually thought they overemphasized or understated the importance of some root causes of an issue, but I couldn’t complain about their general thought processes.

  Now, it just seems like an irrational shouting match. Whoever’s the loudest and most hateful “wins”.

  I miss meaningful discussions, where the quality of ideas mattered. Some of the most important, most educational discussions I’ve had were with people who disagreed with me. Now, debates are laced with extremism, religion, and (worst of all) a total rejection of logic. They’re not valuable or thought provoking. They’re just exhausting, and something I tend to avoid.

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  • riskable@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The reason why conservatives of the past seem to be more reasonable is because there’s much more evidence (and easy ways to cite it) to refute their seemingly well-reasoned arguments.

    In the past a conservative might say something like, “taxes on corporations are pointless; they’re just going to be passed on to consumers” and they could make a well-reasoned argument from simplistic economic principles.

    These days when someone hears that argument they can just look online and find a zillion well-researched and cited articles pointing out how it’s a flawed position based on bad assumptions. Just looking at how changes in the tax code over time (massive reductions in corporate tax rates) have impacted the economy and the price of goods. Spoiler: Reducing taxes on corporations has two effects: It reduces tax revenues (obviously) and makes the rich (owners) richer. Changes in the tax code that increased taxes on corporations also had no impact on prices. In short, the entire idea falls flat on its face even though it seems like it would make sense.

    They’re the same conservatives they’ve always been; refusing to change their beliefs despite the evidence. It’s also that we now know more about their beliefs and the more we know the more extreme they seem.

    Conservatism has become a political package: By “voting conservative” (making it a part of their Identity) a person is signing on to conservatism as a whole. They may not believe everything their peers do (e.g. racism, xenophobia, sexism, violence, etc) but these things they do not agree with are not game changers. They may not believe that whites are a superior race but they’re OK with those people being on their team.

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    • magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s interesting, because most examples of reasonable conservatism I can think of come from before the internet was widespread, which applies directly to the availability of evidence and the ease of citing it. Hmm!

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The conservative hate of yesteryear was so much more respectable

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  • Hjalamanger@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is maybe the only comment here that actually answers @ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com question

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• Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Maybe to help put it in perspective for you, American Conservativism is very concerned with taking rights away from anyone who isn’t a financially stable, straight, Christian white man.

  I’m not sure where a European conservative fits in the scale, and I’d love to learn if you’re willing to share, but when Americans hear conservative, our first thoughts are “Racist Nazi supporter”

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  • ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ouch, didn’t expect that.

    I’m more traditional and well, Islamic/Muslim (I’m half European and half Arab).

    However, I don’t care what anyone else does with their lives. I just live mine and that’s my business (as in why should I put my nose in someone’s else’s business).

    It isn’t that I want right to be taken away, not at all. But I’d believe, if one does put hard work in it - the person can achieve it (almost always). I do also believe rights for everyone and just a specific ethnicity/race etc.

    I also do believe more in the traditional family kind of thing (husband working, woman taking care of the household and both of them taking care of the children).

    The thing is, I lean “centrum right” whenever - I’d official tests from my country. So, I’m curious how a non-hateful environment of conservatism is.

    Do want to make a note that I genuine dislike nazism. The shit they done is awful, can’t even find the words to describe it.

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    • skulblaka@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Similar to the other poster you're replying to, I am also American, and my statement will be colored by that experience. Fair warning.

      I don't think you're a bad person. And that's quite a statement, because there are a great many American conservatives that I can say with no reservations are objectively bad people. I think you teeter on the edge with the "traditional family" thing, because that's extremely often a dog whistle for people that want to exterminate LGBT and trans folks, but at least based on your statements here it doesn't seem like you're in that camp.

      I think you want to look elsewhere for your community, because conservatism as a movement, as a whole cares very little about what you care about (minding one's own business, ensuring basic human rights regardless of ethnicity or other factors, personal reward for personal achievement) and cares very much about things you don't seem to be on board with (repressive religious law, disenfranchisement or even outright kidnapping and murder of LGBT, racism, defrauding voters and government offices in order to line ones own pockets, ensuring deaths of vulnerable mothers via slashing legality of birth control or abortion methods) - just to name a few.

      Conservatism, as a whole, is primarily rooted around having an in-group that can be pandered to and having an out-group that can be blamed. They are largely uninterested in proper governance and entirely uninterested in human rights. Every move that is made, is made in service of consolidating power at the cost of human life. In the words of respected political scientist Francis Wilhoit, "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." This pattern can be observed over hundreds or thousands of years of human history.

      If you want to find yourself on the right side of history the time is now. Leave the conservative circles behind and find one that actually espouses the ideas you care about. I doubt you'd find common ground in the sort of American Liberal circles that I find myself at home in, but there are options. There are as many political ideologies as there are people. But the more you attach yourself to one, the more they will in turn rub off on you.

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    • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I might suggest Islam focused groups. You’d probably agree with a majority of the people there, and religious communities are typically more supportive of each other than political communities.

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    • meco03211@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I also do believe more in the traditional family kind of thing (husband working, wife taking care of the household and both of them taking care of the children).

      What if the family has two dads? Or two moms?

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    • RBWells@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Wait. You want to live in a traditional family structure, or you want to impose it on everyone else?

      I am in a heterosexual marriage, with many children. But I don’t think it’s the only way to live and don’t judge others for arranging their lives differently. So I am liberal/progressive.

      And I personally feel lucky to be alive at all, and do not think anyone deserves anything. But the unfairness baked into the system here distorts the world. You could only be ‘conservative’ in the sense of thinking people get what they work for, in a world where everyone had the same starting line and tools. We don’t live in that world.

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• morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Maybe if you be more specific about your stances on policies, it would be easier to find you a group.

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• 01011@monero.town ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Conservatives typically do not like discussion or debate because it forces them to look at the status quo and ask hard nosed questions. Try the religious forums - Islam, Christianity, deism. I imagine that’s where such people hide.

  And European conservatives are typically just as bigoted as their north American brethren. The major difference is that they may be less religious.

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• homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I appreciate the candid responses, and I don’t have a solution for you, but the question is an interesting one. Most of the ‘conservative’ people I know who are not interested in the typical hate-filled conservative politics seem to be invested in family and religious pursuits - home-schooling, church volunteering, support groups sometimes - things like that.

  If those are of interest, there are likely to be communities that talk about them (or you could start one). However, when it comes to conservative politics, the actual money and laws that those same people support with their votes and donations - that’s pretty hateful stuff, and most of it boils down to some kind of sexism, racism, classism, or something like that.

  You might try looking for more academic areas where a particular teaching, theory, or philosophy is being discussed. But daily news items about conservative politics are going to be full of high emotion because a lot of wrongs are being done every day to people and things that deserve better.

  Good luck!

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• Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Lemmy is a cesspool for politics. Of all flavours. Hell, most of the internet is. Lemmy is especially left slanted though. I wouldn’t look for anything remotely right wing here. Hell I wouldn’t look for anything politically flavoured. All you’ll find is Lemmygrad, Hexbear and Exploding Heads. All awful cesspools of different flavours.

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• master5o1@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Any hyper focused group, especially one that has an excluded “other”, will form a totem idea of that other and unreasonably become extremely against that totem. So hate spirals out of control. This occurs on either ends of the political spectrum. It can happen with sports teams vs their rivals.

  CGP Grey made a video a number of years ago explaining such things better. youtu.be/rE3j_RHkqJc.

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• Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Define conservative and hate

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• Nemo@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  All political subs are full of hate. Pseudonymous social media just isn’t a good venue for that kind of discussion.

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• ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Gab is a fork of Mastodon where conservatives flock. Yes, there are a lot of neo-Nazis, but you aren't exposed to it for long unless you want to be.

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  • Dibbix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Jeebus… ‘I’m only in the mood for a little bit of Nazism today, i won’t log for long’

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    • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think the parent meant that you can quickly block all the Nazis and be done with them forever?

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• shogun5000@lemmy.basedcount.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You won’t find that on Lemmy. This site is a magnet for pseudo-intellectual, mentally ill communists. Good luck.

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  • rezifon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Found the hate!

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• FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I blocked all political / political meme instances. Lemmy is as much of a cesspool from both sides as reddit was.

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• Smokeydope@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Here is a conservative lemmy community communities.win/c/TheDonald

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