Apple to Soon Take Up to 30% Cut From All Patreon Creators in iOS App

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• andrew@mastodon.furrow.me ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  @Sine_Fine_Belli 😡 Tim Cook is a bad man. Do not federate with him!

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• melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Evil corp wants even more. Ho-hum. Sigh. Anyway…

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• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Parasites.

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• jenings@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  How does everyone feel about the googs announcing an end to side loading?

  troypoint.com/google-confirms-android-sideloading…

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  • can@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not good.

    There have been countless threads on the subject.

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    • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Is there even a way to link a post so it works on every instance?

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• Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve been warned many times in the past to not subscribe to people on the patreon app since it costs more then in browser because of the app store’s cut. So is this just even worse then it was or was that just for the google play store before?

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  • ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ya I always subscribe on the website. Google and Apple have both charged extra fees for monthly subscriptions bought within the app.

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• Evilschnuff@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s why we need rules and regulation around gatekeeper platforms like iOS and android. If both demand 30% there is no choice not to pay in certain circumstances.

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• Hawanja@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yet another reason to never ever use Apple. So if I just use the Patreon website and not an app, do I still have to give Apple 30% of my money? Seems like that should be illegal.

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  • winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Thats exactly how it works for twitch and other stuff. If you’re on mobile go to the website instead of the app otherwise they take a cut

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    • Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Many apps either only sell on website or just make it 30% more expensive when paid via app
      That is long the case

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• JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Didn’t they just lose a lawsuit along these lines? I can’t imagine this going well for them.

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• dugmeup@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  How greedy is Apple? Talk about insatiable greed!

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• DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We will need an alternative to Patreon that even people on Patreon can go to

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  • treesquid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No, you need an alternative to apps in the Apple app store, which already exist. Don’t pay for anything through an app on an Apple device, they will rob the creator. Pay through the Patreon web site.

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  • BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Liberapay, Kofi

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  • lofuw@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Direct payments with Monero seems like the best option.

    Everything else takes a cut, which they do not deserve.

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  • Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Subscribe star and pixiv fanbox

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    • MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Heavily blocked by filters. I’m pretty sure pixiv cut the US loose and started blocking US users.

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• DannyMac@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Damn! Creators are going to need another Patreon to supplement their Apple-induced Patreon shortfall.

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• lofuw@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yes! Exploit the morons as much as they’re willing to be exploited!

  None of them have the brains/balls to fight back.

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  • Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is the second phase of enshittification. They are hurting yhe businesses with this, not the consumer.

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• Balldowern@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Apple users BTFO

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  • DannyMac@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sadly, I’m guessing this is transparent to iOS users, they think they’re supporting creators with $X each month, but behind the scenes, the creator is getting $X * 0.7 and then I’m guessing Patreon also takes some off the top of that for their infrastructure.

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    • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is why you can’t subscribe to Spotify or Netflix or a ton of other services through the app store apps, they aren’t gonna give up 30% revenue. Patreon is going to be the same eventually, creators will take it as a last resort, but they’ll absolutely scream “go to the website to donate to me,” or maybe even disable iOS app contributions.

      Kind of like how the nonprofits I’ve been part of have to pay a CC processing fee which varies by processor and card, so they don’t accept AMEX or Discover cards, and then stress “please send us a check instead,” and if a donation is over a certain amount, they won’t accept it by CC at all. If you’re going to donate $30k or $100k or more, no fucking way are we giving thousands of dollars to a processor. Write us a check, we’ll accept it in person, and take a photo of us fellating you, suitable for framing.

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    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Creators choose if they’re taking the cut or the users are paying extra.

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• klymilark@herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  At what point do they just… Pull the app from stores. Like seriously. All it is is a portal to patron+push motifs, which mobile browsers can do

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• Zexks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Its the same with pretty much EVERY app on the apple store. Everything there is 30% more than the same thing bought elswhere

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• nucleative@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s all about control of reach.

  If I was an influencer and using Patreon (I’m neither), it’s a simple decision:

  Total reach * conversion rate * platform commission = income

  Apple’s app store has a fuckton of desirable reach - they monopolize (arguably literally) all the easy payments from iphones and kill anybody else who tries to redirect eyeballs. They are too strong. But what else are you going to do if you need Patreons or app customers, etc?

  You can’t ignore the reach, and you’d have to pay or work harder to get eyeballs another way too unless you can get free publicity by being crazy or something and pull people into your own payment/ download channels.

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  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You aren’t gaining reach by having your current followers gain a payment fee.

    It’s just something you don’t have a say in.

    I thought Epic won this lawsuit though.

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    • nucleative@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Once they are following, I’d think you can begin to convert them to higher tiers of support through private channels?

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• CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Most of you would applaud if this was gaben.

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  • glimse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re not a very observant person, are you?

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• Ron@zegheteens.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Bezos needs a new boat

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  • MalMen@masto.pt ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    @Ron @Sine_Fine_Belli bezos is the amazon guy... but they booth need probably

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• gravitywell@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m surprised this wasn’t already the case, how did patreon get an exception in the first place? I don’t know anything about how apple billing with patreon works but the way this sounds is that patreon’s “Legacy Billing” somehow allows creators to get around the 30% fee that is normally standard to anything on apple, and the means to enable/disable this feature is entirely in the hands of individual creators rather than patreon or apple, weird.

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