This is not a “YSK”, it’s just yet another post about (US…) politics.
Seriously, this problem ruined !showerthoughts@lemmy.world and it’s ruining this community too.
YSK: Europe Can Wreak HAVOC On America Without Firing a Bullet.
Submitted 2 days ago by Alpha71@lemmy.world to youshouldknow@lemmy.world
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JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 day ago
iglou@programming.dev 1 day ago
Sign of the times… If it is on everyone’s mind, it will infiltrate generic subs like these
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Amen. And I know we all want to just agree with it, but propaganda is propaganda, and when people are painting it to fit the guidelines of communities (like this), it’s deceitful and wrong.
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
… the time to do this shit has long been upon us. Who gives a fuck what they can do, until they do it? As an American, I’m begging you, put up or shut-up.
I didn’t vote for the baby in office, and I would gladly suffer to see his toys taken away by the adults.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I said this in another thread but I’ll say it again, threats are only useful if you hold leverage. If they blow their load, what else can they hold over the heads of the US? They need to threaten, and then if they threat isn’t listened to then they act on it. Doing it now just ensures there’s not much of a punishment left to be dealt, so there’s no reason not to invade. Sure, the economy will collapse, but that would happen either way in the case they act now.
If I hold a knife to you and threaten you with it, you’ll listen. If I just stab you then what reason do you have to listen? Just like nukes, the only use for a threat is in not using it. If you do have to use it then you’ve lost the reason they may have held back.
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 6 hours ago
No one is proposing they rattle their saber. The scale of the threat has long been too great to bother speaking aloud, and putting it into words instead of action would just be laugable.
Again, the “listened to” or no phase is past the horizon, around the curve and honestly several hills and valleys back in the rear-view mirror. A threat that isn’t followed-through on or is spoken only after you’ll obviously never act isn’t even a threat any more; Its a mark of submission.
Nice job contradicting yourself in that second paragraph though. Let me ask you this: Did Trump bother saying we were going to, could, or “should” abduct Maduro in advance?
Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Its an indian website
Its not the opinion of any european
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
I know better than to beg Europeans and Facts ≠ Opinions, although I am going by the title where it says “Can”, rather than “should”.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I wont suffer from this, but ill gladly watch you and my neighbirs suffer!
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 6 hours ago
You’re funny. You think the US isn’t full of people who wouldn’t notice if things got worse on the whole because of how bad they have it already.
The only one proposing its somehow worse that me and my well-to-do neighbors join them and maybe end-up remembering such a basic concept as Class Solidarity is you.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Depends on the neighbor. If they have a trump flag, fuckem. I literally don’t give a shit anymore. “Oh if you say people should suffer the consequences of their actions you’re somehow in favor of collective punishment” is a braindead take that is only used by people trying to get out of the consequences of their actions.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
America is doing quite fine wreaking havoc on itself, no need for Europe to get involved.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
While it economically can, we should also be able to military defend all Europe ourselves.
Griffus@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
1 % of GDP from every country to a European army would make that possible without completely sacrificing national armies.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
That’s not what is complicated lol, it’s the command & control.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 1 day ago
Yeah, the problem is that Europe is going to dick around not doing that while the other side is actually using bullets.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
Are they shooting at us?!
zloubida@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
No, unfortunately, it doesn’t work like that. “Europe” doesn’t owns a lot of US bonds; private investors from Europe own them. There’s no way to compel them to sell them.
gasgiant@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Ok except you’re completely wrong. The foreign holdings are both private and government owned. From www.congress.gov/…/RS22331.51.pdf
zloubida@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Ok except you’re completely wrong. Governmental investments in US are mainly made by countries outside Europe, like China. The only European exception is Norway, which alone can’t do much (and is not in the EU).
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 1 day ago
There’s no way to compel them to sell them.
On paper no. In practice, when you consider how much economy at that level is driven by quid pro quo, that statement sounds almost silly. It’s not a matter of whether governments can trigger a mass disinvestment, it’s a matter of the cost.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
US will collapse on its own.
NATO colonies have been increasing US debt holdings in 2025, instead of sharply reducing them in face of US threats against them. Ending US military procurement, boeing, caterpillar, and US NATO membership, would be destruction of US empire.
The US proxy war on Russia through Ukraine was a US war on Europe. Nordstream, and energy capture for a year or 2. The biggest Trump lie at Davos is that Europe’s energy is expensive due to their adoption of renewables. When, in fact it is their capture to extortionist US energy, instead of Russian bridge energy, and military subservience to US, that is destroying Europe. Far better and more equitable trading opportunity with Russia replacing US as a trading partner, or even as a NATO member.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Europe won’t though.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Selling US Treasury bonds is exactly what Trump wants as it would devalue the dollar (flooding the market with dollars basically devalues the dollar) and Trump wants to devalue the dollar to make manufacturing in the US more attractive and to stimulate exports and therefore jobs in the US.
hr_@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Not sure it’s a plan as much as an unintended consequence. The man doesn’t really have a track record of deep thinking.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I don’t think he has a track recording of thinking in general to be fair.
I think he spits actions and just takes whatever sticks. The dude bankrupted how many times now and is expected to be the master in resolving US trade?
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
the man certainly does not do deep thinking but the thinktanks that are his advisors sure do.
qaz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It would devalue the dollar, but it would also substantially increase borrowing costs. Not that great for a country which is effectively paying off one credit card with the other.
notaviking@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Why does this sketchy website not having valid certificates
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Why is your browser out-of-date?
I mean, I don’t like the site per se, but Firefox isn’t complaining for me, so I am legit wondering what browser you are using that does complain. Are you planning on giving that site your personal information?
slazer2au@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Get a modern device that supports x25519 or secp256r1.
peskypry@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Update your browser or OS. It’s all good here.
notaviking@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ok not a sketchy website. I was using the WiFi at my Company I work for, they were redirecting my traffic leading to the browser warning me of the invalid certificates.
On mobile data the link works. This is the first time I noticed it today, and after the second link from Google gave me a similar issue I knew something was fishy
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
Well then what are they waiting for?