Submitted 2 weeks ago by kingofras@lemmy.world to fediverse@lemmy.world
Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
I prefer trying to revive dead communities. See if anybody want to be in charge of onr of those dead communities
Kind of useless probably, at least in the present state of Lemmy. We’re not particularly overrun by new users. That would be a good problem to have.
There’s been a huge wave of people (bots?) creating new accounts, posting a bunch, and then deleting their accounts after a couple of days. See: lemmy.world/post/39948262
Ehh still seems useless, they then just have to age the accounts before posting. One thing I’d want to know is of those posts are in topic areas that anyone would want to influence surreptitiously.
I'll give some insight from NodeBB.
Adding in delays (x days until first post, y hours until upvote, etc.) do nothing to curb spam.
If your spam is manual, they will discover the waiting period, update their rulebook, and go to town when the waiting period is over.
If the spam is automated, it will work until the spammer admin discovers the waiting period, updates the script, and has the bots resume going to town when the waiting period is over.
At the same time it severly hampers usability at its most crucial (the first post).
The only thing that works to curb spam is a post queue with manual review... or locking the ability to post links behind reputation.
auto closing/suspending stale communities stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
No. I’ve seen several times people ask the admins if they could take over a community. And it happened. Thus reviving dead communities.
staggered new account permissions: wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
Why?
allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
This one I like.
Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.
That’s not how it should be done though. The same menu that you pull out that lets you report things to a mod, instead of reporting to mod, it should let you report as NSFW. If a mod approves the request, it then becomes labeled as NSFW.
auto closing/suspending stale communities
Define “stale” commmunities.
wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
This would not help interacting levels at all.
My proposed definition of stale is in the OP
How does staggered new account permissions help deter bad actors in any way whatsoever? There’s nothing preventing them from having a pipeline of accounts in aging.
Each comment questioning this assume trolls are from all well funder st petersburg troll farms, I’d wager quite a few may be reactionary basement neckbeards who wouldn’t post the same stuff a day later.
It does not take any funding to create accounts a few days in advance. Automating account creation is probably the most basic step in any troll’s toolbox.
reactionary basement neckbeards who wouldn’t post the same stuff a day later.
Trolls who give up after a day aren’t trolls, they’re users having a bad day. And if they’re stopping after a day, their impact on everybody else is miniscule.
On the OTHER hand, as everybody has pointed out, you’re badly impacting the new user experience. Bullshit posting restrictions on reddit are one of the worst things they came up with. Let’s not replicate all the user hostile stuff they implemented.
It obviously wouldn’t stop all of them, but it would stop some. Some people aren’t that invested.
However, it would also stop a lot of new users.
A new user might come along and post something that revives interest in it. What Lemmy needs are more users to increase activity.
New users are unlikely to be interested in immediately committing to maintaining a community with regular posts and moderation over a long period of time, but might be willing to contribute to existing communities. Better to have dormant communities that can be revived than to have a lack of topics for new users to contribute to.
Counterpoint: a new user has a look around, see that a community on a topic hasn’t been active for a month, they think this platform is dead.
While if they found that stale community, but with a pinned post to the active community on the same topic, it helps them to find active places.
Instead of closing stale communities, I'd like to see a more federated versions of what Reddit does:
It doesn’t need to be that complicated. Most communities can be requested on instance support communities.
What usually happens is - community owner doesn’t want to close it, even if it’s inactive - nobody cares enough to request that community
The issue with that is as you explained: it's up to the instance admins (who often don't care and/or are too busy to deal with it), and visibility due to it happening on instance support community is low.
Bake it into the service, and I guarantee you, average uptake of new moderators for stale communities will improve.
This sounds like a much better approach.
Love it
About closing stale communities, !fedigrow@lemmy.zip has regular initiatives to handle inactive communities and redirect to active ones.
What is the point of “staggered new account permissions”?
At most we should be Autofolding/hiding unpopular comments.
This stuff? lemmy.world/u/FYLD_Proofchain
I think the issue is putting barriers to legit users even if it prevents some spam will keep us small.
Ummm, Nested Communities ?
You mean cross instance merged supercommunities (like all the dataisbeautiful communities under sc/dataisbeautiful?
Yeah
Maybe more like /videocards comprising /Amdcards /intelcards?
My response is positive to all the first two ideas, but I’ve seen no need for NSFW voting.
Looks like stale communities are already closed and deleted, at least here on lemmy.world. Popped into a community I ran but set to “no new posts” a few years ago, and all the old posts are gone. Which is OK by me.
Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 2 weeks ago
I don’t think we should be limiting new users from commenting or posting. And 7 days is a long time.
Auto closing communities would be really annoying, but I think dimming them or marking them in the lists/search results would be nice. I filed an issue on this already github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/3174 maybe if more people think this is a good idea they could leave comments there
SolarPunker@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Limiting new users could maybe help against bot spamming?
Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 2 weeks ago
Probably slightly, but not worth turning away potential new users. We need more users.
Skavau@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Yes, but it would tank the user retention rate.