cross-posted from: lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/36840985
Let the final enshitification commence ╰( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )つ──☆*:・ﾟ
Discord in discussions of going Public Trading, economics expert discusses how that might change things
Submitted 2 weeks ago by gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone to technology@lemmy.world
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random_character_a@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Is discord not enshitty?
I open it and it updates 6 times, then I get a full page ad for nitro. Then all the settings push nitro. And all the “servers” push nitro.
BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s the best at what it does, but had been getting shitty in the way you described. However, it’s free and they have to support it somehow. I’ll put up with the nitro pushing and understand that’s my cost of doing business. If they go public, I’ll probably actively start looking for an alternative, because that always kills a product and it will for sure mean “AI” will be forced into it.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is. Which is why I‘m baffled they didn’t go public already.
Nikki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
discord is one of those things i struggle to find an alternative to, not because i lack the skill to do it myself or to make something else do the same tasks, but because all my friends who aren’t as techy as me or big servers i like talking to wouldnt migrate.
having seen its decline since 2016, sooner or later ill have to make the jump but its gonna be harder than ditching google or microsoft because of the community aspect of it.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
And so many things using it instead of a forum for information or questions
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s especially bizzare when Git repos for “open source corporate alternative” type software uses it over their own repo’s native forums.
WTF
They want the social media engagement, I guess. But still. It’s ridiculous how much of a blind spot folks have for it.
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A great problem of our society is there being too many problems to have any group of people focus on enough to get any of them solved.
If every issue has just 2% of people caring about it, companies can easily just write those 2% off and do business as usual.
This is why to not have an enshitifed world it has to be top down, and people have to participate in politics logically as opposed to based on which groups of people they hate.
The basic maths of it just doesn’t work for any sort of bottom up action.
It would have to be a relative time of quiet and one company sticking out like a sore thumb for long enough for them to be damaged.
You have seen how rapidly things are getting worse.
There is not going to be that happening, and even if there were, it wouldn’t be enough as there are thousands more issues.
mp3@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It will inevitably focus more on pleasing its public investors than anything else, therefore enshittification.
Maybe Steam/Valve is a unicorn, but it’s not publicly traded and it’s doing just fine.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is a unicorn. I dread the day Gaben dies and Valve ends up going public. It feels like the last bastion of decent online services.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Valve’s margins are almost criminal as-is. They make cash hand over fist, and they’re basically a monopoly already.
…So not much might actually change, at least at first?
But this also what they don’t need to go public. They have plenty of capital. And it’d just shrink the slice of pie Valve’s owners get.
RalfWausE@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Don’t use Discord!
IRC and Matrix are better, free alternatives.
Zoot@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Matrix sadly doesn’t have the bots, apj, or infrastructure that Discord has. Not to mention its a horrible alternative to Discord, not having permissionable channels is a deal breaker…
Trust me, I want to abandon this ship more than anything but my games/orgs/clans rely heavily on a lot of discord automation that just isn’t even possible in Matrix.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Discord got popular because it did Skype and Mumble better than both, but it has suffered a lot from Enshitification
Jpeasy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How has it suffered at all in enshitification?
turbowafflz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I use both matrix and discord regularly and matrix is nowhere near a viable alternative for discord, the way they work is just too different. The only real alternative I’ve been able to find is guilded but it’s no better than discord since it’s still completely centralized and closed source
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’m on Matrix. That felt like an epic accomplishment that required both mobile and desktop. I don’t remember why it was so difficult, but the registration/login/association process was awful. Maybe that’s just Matrix.org.
Looking for things to do with my Pi that I’m upgrading today with an SSD. Maybe I’ll run my own Matrix server on it so that there can be something else technically running with no traffic.
AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Came here to say this. Matrix is also a bit clunky still.
galaxy_nova@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t want to use it but the thing is I need to convince my friends and the 50 servers I’m in to switch too…
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
I wonder who sued them... maybe Revolut?
Auth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
IRC doesnt fit the usecase at all.
VeloRama@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
can’t embed content on irc. that alone makes it not viable as alternative, because communities rely on this feature to share content and memes.
Auth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“I wish all my friends would leave discord and go to an alternative chat platform”
The monkey paw curls and all your friends move to MS Teams.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Slack! 😱
Auth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I could live with all my friends using slack
Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ICQ
VeloRama@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
what practical alternatives are out there? every gaming and streaming community seems to use discord, but i hate it on the basis of it being an enshittified, proprietary walled garden.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Stoat.chat is fully just discord but FOSS
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This will not take off until their native apps release and support self hosted rooms.
AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is this the 3rd name change? or the 2nd?
isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
None. Closest is Matrix, and it sucks for that purpose because it’s more like Slack.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I’m guessing this will lead to more things being locked behind their subscription model. Ransoming core features for cash is the standard template of this process.
SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This news comes immediately after they floated the idea of embedding AI, you say?
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Pretty much immediately after yeah
Dojan@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Yes, finally! I’m ready for this shitty platform to fucking die already.
Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well this gives me time to start my own Mumble server now
ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I ran one off a raspberry pi for years before we switched to discord. It just worked for voice chat.
pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
Well the developers, like all techbros, have been sweetening up Discord to what it is. Once they find a pretty buyer, they'll sell it for top dollar. That's the real completion cycle of enshittification. Some private firm will have it or someone like Microsoft may have it and do to it like they've done with Skype.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
They did, at least, btw smart enough to already smart enough to say no to a buyout attempt by Microsoft
desmosthenes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
let the enshittification continue
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I genuinely do not know how that would change anything. It‘s already monetized thoroughly. They will just add even more ad campaign quests and stuff which you can ignore.
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Have you not seen the world? Everything, no matter how horrific, can always get infinitely worse.
The PIF could buy it and ban gay people. Israel could buy it and persecute people against genocide. A rich right wing billionaire could buy it and force even more nazi memes upon the youth.
There are infinite ways it can get worse. Infinite.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I‘m pretty sure Discord is already selling data of every single chat message to everyone. Especially secret services for prosecution. If they make it too shitty people will just migrate somewhere else and nothing of value was lost. It does not have the strong network effect of a Xitter or Youtube.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Until they lock it up where you can’t. Or they’ll decide on selling data and injecting ads into your convos or streams.
In other words this hasn’t been enshittified to the max yet at all. There are new and horrible depths to explore.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh, sweet summer child.
You just wait.
Auth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They can lock more features behind nitro. They can charge to run a server. They can add servers you have to pay to join. There is a ton of stuff they can do that would just make things suckier for users on the platform.
melfie@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
Wonder what’ll be next after Discord enshittifies and alienates all the current users.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
There’s like 4 contenders, but all missing the crucial thing, critical mass of users
pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
It's been enshittifying for a while now.
Who the hell would pay $12 for some fancy profile template? Who'd pay $6 just for an animated thing that revolves around your profile picture? Half of that garbage obstructs your profile.
Not even subscribing to their $10 Nitro deal is worth it. Wow, you get to have a poor selection of ways to display your name. Maybe if a server you really love to be in was active and could take advantage of some of the things advertised, probably might be worth it. But a lot of the time, I'm in servers that don't so I don't see a point.
Kr4u7@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
melfie@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
You’re right, guess I should’ve said “enshittify further”.
rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I didn’t think Discord could get any worse!
adespoton@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
How that MIGHT change things?
Just look at every other tech company in the space that’s gone public to see how it WILL change things. It’s not a mystery at this point.
sirboozebum@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The real question is how do you enshittify a product that is already shit?
Soup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Since when is Discord shit? Oh no, an easy to use application with incredible sound quality! Ahhhh
Anything annoying I can think of is stuff that makes a lot of sense considering said application is, for most people, 100% free.