Let me get this right… they’re lobbying their way out to not even list what they’re charging for?
I hope FCC doubles down without lube.
ISPs complain that listing every fee is too hard, urge FCC to scrap new rule
Submitted 1 year ago by tst123@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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eager_eagle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Yeah how does that even work? Don’t they have to list what they sell for their accounting? Isn’t it tax evasion or fraud if they don’t keep track of everything?
dmmeyournudes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s about transparency to the customer at point of sale. It’s like nutrition facts for your internet, literally.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
That’s weird because they don’t seem to have an issue charging me for a bunch of weird little shit while also keeping close tabs on my usage.
Perhaps they could stop doing both and then it would free up time to innovate like we’ve given them public funds to do time and time again.
Drewsteau@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why would anyone care what the ISPs think about how much work they have to do? We’re paying for it, so in what world is it not misleading to withhold information about charges?
Cameli_Hostis@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It sounds like providers are trying to hide monthly fees in an attempt to obscure them. My ISP will let me ‘rent’ a modem for $10 a month, but I just decided to buy my own for $60 fifteen years ago. My brain says that’s $1800 (it could be wrong, it’s late). If I didn’t know I was paying a $10 monthly fee, I’d never have bought my own.
And if a fee is actually a tax, just put that on the bill. It’s pretty simple.
PlantJam@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My isp used to charge $10/mo for a modem rental, so I just bought my own. Now they don’t charge for the rental but all their prices went up by at least $10/mo.
Jerkface@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Comcast tells me I can use my own modem but if I do then I’m capped at 1.2TB a month on my “unlimited” plan.
Paradox@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Might wanna buy a new modem. 15 years ago was, what, DOCIS2? The new DOCIS4s could get you far faster internet
Vlyn@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Due to any technical/latency improvements?
Otherwise if they don’t pay for more bandwidth it wouldn’t actually get faster, right? If the current modem can already deliver the full speed they pay for?
SIGSEGV@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
You were only paying $10/mo. for your modem?? They were charging me $15/mo. for just the television remote! Fuck these companies, seriously (especially Comcast).
hoodatninja@kbin.social 1 year ago
$10/mo = $120/yr.
15yr @ $120/yr = $1800rubythulhu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
The requirement that ISPs list all their monthly fees “would add unnecessary complexity and burdens to the label for consumers and providers and could result in some providers having to create many labels for any given plan,” the groups said in the filing on Friday.
It would put undo burden on you for them to tell you what they’re charging for. they’re trying to help you. this isn’t about capitalism, it’s about simplifying the process of them adding fees to your bill in a mutually beneficial way, because neither of you have to think too hard about where the fee money goes. it’s about mutual love, respect, and empathy 🙏
whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 1 year ago
CEO yacht club fee - 5.99 CEO bonus fee - 10.98 CEO bottle service fee - 2.99
Idk doesn’t seem that hard…
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Executive layoff bonus Executive uncompensated mandatory worker overtime bonus…
infyrin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Boo fucking hoo. Shut the fuck up and start using the money you get from grants to fulfill promises you’re to abide by, assholes.
BrownianMotion@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you want to make and add all these fees, I think it is only fair that your are required to list them all.
Stop hiding behind your pussy corporate bullshit, and take some responsibility for your money grabbing thoughtlessness.
Customers want to be able to determine who is of best value, and if you advertise $5 a month but add $45 of “fees” then you are just a cunt, and you don’t deserve the business; even if your SUM TOTAL of $50 a month is less than some other ISP that just says its $54 a month and that’s it.
If you are sneaking about and skirting shit like this, we can only assume you are like that at a corporate level, and everything you are doing is dodgy as fuck.
MinusPi@pawb.social 1 year ago
Seems easy enough to charge all of them
tallwookie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
almost like they’re asking to be nationalized…
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’ll believe the US will nationalize a private industry when I see it and then I still won’t believe it.
The GOP would shit themselves
Zyansheep@programming.dev 1 year ago
Not technically “nationalized”, but we gave local and state governments control over sewers and water…
bappity@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I see it as an absolute win
Tar_alcaran@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I see no downsides here
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
If you have the accounting power to bill for it, you have the power to list it up front. The only way you can’t list fees is if you can’t figure out how to charge people for them.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It is amazing how billing departments never have a problem with these things
RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Let me do it for you:
- O&M - $3
- R&D - $1
- Tech Support - $0.25
- CEO’s cocaine addiction - $25
- Selling your personal information & browsing history - ($10)
- Profits for Executive Bonuses - $50
- Stock Buybacks to Inflate Value - $25
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My formerly-favorite local pizza place got bought by a chain who put up 10+ TVs that show nothing but ads for the chain and occasionally portions of their menu (which is of course useless as a menu since it’s not visible most of the time). They also replaced the original simple but easy-to-use website with a gaudy infinite-scrolling pile of shit that makes you click through a bunch of “suggestions” just to order and pay for one fucking pizza.
Their pizza is still really good (for now, anyway) but they’ve now added a $2 “technology fee” to every order. Fuck corporate America so fucking hard.
gabe@literature.cafe 1 year ago
The fact that ISPs in the US are not considered utilities and are regulated as such is baffling but kinda on brand
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The US’s concept of capitalism is the standard-oil robber baron version of capitalism — corporations should be free to pollute, murder, exploit, enslave, and extract as much value from the working class and planet as physically possible. If you don’t think that’s moral or ethical fuck you; you’re free to die, you filthy socialist!
Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Truth has never been so succinctly put
Bravo my fellow lemming 🙏🏼
Debs@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
What if we got really twisted and included tax and fees in the advertised price?
bappity@lemmy.world 1 year ago
oh waaaaaaah cry about it >_>
takeda@kbin.social 1 year ago
If it is too hard, I'll be ok if they just skip it and won't charge it.
krayj@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
If it’s too hard to disclose those costs up front, then how in TF are they able to figure it out down to the last cent on the first and subsequent bills?
Demonstrating that they have the ability to do it is not a very good argument for claiming it’s too hard.
smegger@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Jeez if they cannot even identify what they’re charging for, then should they be charging for those things at all?
Sounds shady as fuck
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 1 year ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Five lobby groups representing cable companies, fiber and DSL providers, and mobile operators have repeatedly urged the Federal Communications Commission to eliminate the requirement before new broadband labeling rules take effect.
The filing was submitted by NCTA-The Internet & Television Association, which represents Comcast, Charter, Cox, and other cable companies.
The trade groups met on Wednesday with the legal advisors to FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel and Commissioner Brendan Carr, according to the filing.
The FCC rules aren’t in force yet because they are subject to a federal Office of Management and Budget (OMB) review under the US Paperwork Reduction Act.
The five trade groups complain that this would require ISPs “to display the pass-through of fees imposed by federal, state, or local government agencies on the consumer broadband label.”
ISPs could instead include all costs in their advertised rates to give potential customers a clearer idea of how much they would have to pay each month.
I’m a bot and I’m open source!
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
So then charging every fee is too hard too. Just scrap those fees altogether!
Pixlbabble@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Call a Waaaahbulance
mp3@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
My ISP does it
AnonTwo@kbin.social 1 year ago
While we can assume there are others, Comcast in particular is a name you put to specifically trying to request for this.
SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I changed to T-Mobile internet for $30 with my phone plan. I couldn’t be any happier with my choice. Before I had xfinity for $30 and I had 75 down, 25 up, and 1tb data cap. With T-Mobile I get 300 down, 90 up, and no data cap for the same price. It’s perfectly good internet
Etterra@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oh whah, it’s too haaard! Mom, Dad’s making me do chores! It’s not fair! I don’t want to do chores! Don’t make me come visit him any more!
Dad: I just want him to rinse his plate.
reflex@kbin.social 1 year ago
They just need a hospital billing consult.
They got that shit down pat.HRDS_654@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Won’t someone think of the poor downtrodden ISPs!
db2@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
If it’s not too hard to charge the fees it’s not too hard to name them. Period.
balloflearning@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Sounds like posturing to add a new fee for being required to list their fees if their weak argument gets thrown out by the FCC.
nothing@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Seriously. Don’t tread on me