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• Beauku73@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Me monkey. Me have 50 banana. Too many banana. Me give you banana. You give promise rock. Later i no have banana. Give back promise rock. You give me banana. Money am tomorrow banana. Promise rocks imaginary now. Count rocks with lightning. “Less fraud” says governmonkey

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• Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Overly simplistic example:

  • You have clothes. You need food.

  • I have food. I don’t need clothes, but I do need water.

  • Someone else has water. They need clothes.

  We could do a complicated multi-party barter. But rather than set one of those up for every single necessity of life, there is some universal item that everyone’s willing to trade for. But, unlike items which have intrinsic value such as gold, we use a token whose only purpose is to be that universal item. We call that “money”. Because everyone is willing to trade what they have for some amount of money, so we can each get money for the things we have too much of, and then trade that money for the things we need.

  Again, this is overly simplistic and missing a hell of a lot of nuance. But that’s how money works in the most basic possible terms.

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Best ELI5 here!

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• bluebadoo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Sounds like you need to read the book Debt: the first 5000 years by David Graeber.

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• Sludgeyy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Money or currency is a way to represent value

  It is a medium of exchange

  Could your boss pay you in cows? Could you take those cows and trade them for a car? Yes but this would be difficult.

  So if your boss gave you a cow voucher “money” and you could trade that for a car, then you wouldn’t have to lug the cows around.

  It facilitates trade

  Why a US dollar, or another currency, has value is a whole other question

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• bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s a devised method of trading value for other things of value. It used to be pretty rocks, then precious metals, then pieces of paper, and now it’s bits on computers. As Drew Carey once said, the everything is made up and the points don’t matter anyway. Except when those points are the difference between having a heated home or freezing your ass off in a cardboard box behind a Safeway.

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• IWW4@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Currency is faith. It is faith that the debt will be repaid. Often that faith is backed by a body of government.

  That is why Trump fucking with the Fed, the consumer protection board and the federal agencies that bring order to the chaos that is the US monetary system is absolutely insane.

  Once that faith is gone, it’s over.

  Think about checks. You know those things we barely use anymore. You whip out a piece of paper and write numbers on it and take out a loan form who ever you are built the goods from.

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• count_dongulus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Money is a transferrable form of debt, and debt is emotion. You do something for someone or give someone something. They are then “indebted” to you. Or the reverse - you’ve been issued a fine, meaning some of the “debt” others owed to you for something valuable is now void because you did interpreted negatively.

  The physical money symbolizes the feeling of indebtedness, and standard currencies allow people to recognize one anothers’ debts as something commonly valuable and transferrable for symbolizing new debts.

  It sounds kind of like karma, but because money is just symbolic for debt and not actually the real manifestation of the emotions associated with the causes of the indebtedness, having a lot of money, or vice-versa, doesn’t translate to a karmic judgment of a person. Someone can trick their way into making others feel indebted to them, at least at the point in time of the emotion to money exchange. Or, they can literally steal the “debt markers” that others accrued. Or, one can decide that one kind of debt is not worth as much as another kind of debt - foreign exchange rates, emoloyment wages, etc mediate this mostly in the sense that human time is not valued identically depending on where a person lives or who they are.

  And you can be “wealthy” without money, as long as enough people feel indebted to you. The money is just for easy debt accounting and transfer.

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• tfowinder@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Money is a promise given to you that someone else will be ready to give you something you want if you give money to them.

  And you trust the money to be useful when you need to make other humans do stuff, it can be giving their time or owning something that you didn’t own before.

  Money itself don’t have any value, it’s a pointer to anything of value. Without money it would be very hard to know exactly how rare is rice compared to sweater. But now using money you can know that you require same amount of human efforts for bringing 70 kg of rice as 1 pcs of sweater to the superstore.

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  • toynbee@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This sounds like how Seinfeld describes checks.

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• Artisian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  One answer: The ability to pay taxes to the largest local military power, in exchange for keeping a ‘good’ relationship with the legal system it operates with.

  Another: a tool for coordination and distribution of resources between large groups of people that does not require very many (or very long) meetings.

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• techwooded@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I like a lot of what other people have said here (faith backed by a trusted party, representation of debt, etc), but I just want to drive home the point that money has value because we said it has value. Under a system of barter, you end up with people valuing things differently. So we switched to the gold standard, but then that constrained growth. Now we have fiat currency which is based on faith.

  The reason why we chose gold was because it was relatively useless at the time, only good for making things look pretty essentially. It was valuable because it was rare, and since it was rare, a central authority could control the supply because it takes a lot of capital to extract and process. Modern fiat is similar, but the rarity (making it a good substitute for value of other goods and services) comes from the government being the only person who can issue it. It’s honestly kind of a weird paradox. It has to be cheap and ubiquitous enough that the supply isn’t limited, but rare enough that we accept it as a stand in for value. In an alternate universe, we could have chosen river rocks (not useful for other purposes, so no one would be tempted to take supply out of the system to use for other means, and pretty ubiquitous), but we couldn’t effectively control the supply.

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• partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  At one time, it was a government promise to exchange for a certain amount of gold. After that became a limit on growth of a nation it becomes “fiat currency” which is simply a conceptual agreement of value to make the exchange of goods and services easier. This is your AMEX money.

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• asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Money is worthless if nobody uses or believes in it.

  The sheet of green paper only has value because we the people believe that it has value.

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In America, and other countries, it used to be backed by gold.

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• Godort@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  youtu.be/-nZkP2b-4vo

  This was a pretty good series on the subject. He goes into what “currency” is right at the beginning

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• FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s supposed to be a way of representing the value of goods and services. But when some people posses a hoard of billions of these imaginary units, I question their usefullness at symbolically representing goods and services

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• IronBird@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  it’s currently the best alternative we’ve found to bashing each others heads in when someone else has something we want

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• fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Enough people who have goods or can provide valuable services agree to use it and something limits the amount of it in circulation.

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t get money, either. 🤷‍♂️

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