ADVICE: Running out of storage

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Aneb@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨selfhosted@lemmy.world⁩

Hi, I’m self hosting a jellyfin server and I wondering if anyone could give advice abt my setup. I have an internal 2tb ssd and I’m using a external 2tb ssd. I’m looking to make my setup more cohesive and less of a headache. I want more storage for media but I don’t know where to start. I looked online to price compare drives and I saw a 14tb hhd for $160, is this a good price for a hard drive? I also haven’t been able to make tdarr work with my gpu so most of my media is probably taking more space than it needs. Any advice would be appreciated!

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Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Don’t know which country you live in but $160 for a 14 TB HDD is a good price. It’s been a while since I lived in North America, but from memory this is a good price for US/Canada.

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- Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Av1 is better than h256 by quite a bit in many cases. Unfortunately, support is still very spotty if you're running anything other than a home theater pc. But I'm moving to Av1/opus since, I'm actively de-googling/droiding. And moving to htpc.
  
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  - Juvyn00b@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Gonna start down a rabbit hole here - but are there any good rf remotes for htpc? I’ve been using Nvidia shield devices for the better part of what feels like a decade now and they’re awesome - with the exception of lacking hardware av1 decode.
    
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  - Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    AV1 content is rather rare and encoding even 1080p content (from BD) is pretty slow unless you have a 9985WX Threadripper Pro (which costs over $11 K retail where I live).
    
    And AV1 client support (HW decode) is lacking compared to HEVC/x265.
    
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- JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Hell, a 12TB WD red Plus in the EU is 300€. $160 for a 14TB is absolute dirt cheap
  
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Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
14TB for $160 seems insanely low/good price, even for refurbished?

Or where do you get prices like that?! (I’m in the EU BTW).

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- mumblerfish@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I got mine from serverpartdeals.com that was before Trump 2.0, but it appears prices to EU are still ok. Shipping was brilliant. They appear to have 14TB for about 180 USD.
  
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  - Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    1/2 to 3/4 of my drives are from server parts deals, only had one of them give me issues and I think the issue was the SATA cable I had. I have several servers.
    
    They are used drives, but I only paid about $100-125 each. Keep watching their site and things go in and out of stock all the time. I wait until they have a good price.
    
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  - Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Thanks, seems great!
    
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- Aneb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I found a site called diskprices.com and found reasonable priced per tb value hard drives
  
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  - Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Nice site, but the prices are way bigger when you click the link or is it I who doesn’t get how it works?
    
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- Wispy2891@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I bought a drive like that from Amazon Germany, it was “brand new” and indeed the smart reported 0 hours, but it died halfway during a dd wipe operation within the “first” day of life.
  
  Conclusion: the drive was already dead and had thousands of hours of life in a server. They used some low level diag tool to reset the counters and make it look like new instead of having 50k hours of life
  
  Fun fact: they shipped it in a paper mailer, completely inappropriate for an HDD. Probably in this way they can blame Amazon warehouse “it’s them, they packed it like that!” if someone reports is as DOA. If instead it still works after 50k hours of 24/7 abuse and shipping it across Europe in a paper mailer, then it’s indestructible and will outlast the user.
  
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JASN_DE@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Do you have room for a HDD? Power budget, monetary budget, SATA ports?

The good thing is that a mechanical HDD is still loads faster than needed for serving media, unless you’re hitting massive user numbers, so there’s usually no need to put media on expensive SSDs.

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- hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I was gonna say, refurbished hdds work perfectly for this. Now, I am kind of reaching that point where a NAS with multiple 20tb hdds is in order but generally you can get pretty far with hdds.
  
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ZonenRanslite@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Please note the HHD technology. Please only use CMR HHDs in servers.

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- wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  HDD* (hard disk drive)
  
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  - ZonenRanslite@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Oh, sorry.
    
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- meldrik@lemmy.wtf ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Isnt that only really necessary if using RAID?
  
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  - ZonenRanslite@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    No, SMR HDDs are not made for continuous operation.
    
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- dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Usually fine for media only like Jellyfin, since you write every now and then new content, then only read from it for longer periods of time.
  
  I probably wouldn’t go for a SMR drive anyways just because drives can last a long while and who knows what i’ll want to do with it in the future.
  
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ki9@lemmy.gf4.pw ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I think its ok to buy cheap memory but check it with f3 first.

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- Joelk111@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’m not sure what this post has to do with memory, they’re asking about storage.
  
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- Cyber@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Hmm, didn’t know about this… I was just using dd to see if the size was about right.
  
  Thanks
  
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Psythik@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Switch to Stremio (with Torrentio) and never worry about running out of storage space again. Everything is streamed directly to your TV, no downloading necessary. Browse like it’s Netflix and just pick something then watch it. Plus there’s support for home theater enthusiasts with features like HDR, Dolby Atmos, 4K, etc.

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- HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Doesn’t this encourage consuming without seeding?
  
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  - meldrik@lemmy.wtf ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You at least seed while watching the movie.
    
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- wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  But streaming is downloading. Sure, it’s not saved to the disk, but…
  
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- Aneb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Oh? I’ve never heard of this. I see there git page here and I installed it easy on my android phone and the add-on torrentio. It there a like docker image or can I host this. I used my server to provide streams to friends and family but this seems to all in one solution I could forward them the link and have a set up guide on my domain now.
  
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  - Aneb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I think the greatest advantage of this is to probably watch a few episodes of show before committing to downloading it especially long series or quick movies. Does everyone in the world need backups of movies and TV shows? I know seeding is an important factor to passing media along but it also feels like hoarding and I’m not a hoarder. It feels like a fine line to cross
    
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anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Separating your services from your storage makes things a lot easier in my opinion.
Setup one machine as a NAS and have that manage your (preferably redundant and backuped if storing personal photos or other unique data) storage, then share it to the rest of your selfhosting over nfs and smb.
You could either go for a prebuilt NAS like Ugreen NASync DXP2800 or build your own m-itx with a Jonsbo N2 case and an N100 motherboard or whatever you’re comfortable with.

Your jellyfin server then accesses the media libraries with a simple mount (/mnt/media). Same with your tdarr server and tdarr nodes.
It’s much easier to experiment and reinstall services when you have your storage separated from them.

I can’t buy a 14tb hdd for that price here in Sweden, but I have no idea about your local prices. Is it new or refurb?

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- dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Sounds nice to have it separate, but it’s not hard to reinstall services or even your whole os (as long as you are partitioned correctly) while your data is on the same machine/disk.
  
  Two machines does sound overkill for Jellyfin (and 99.99% of self hosters).
  
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  - anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Nothing is hard when you know what you’re doing. :)
    Being able to completely wipe your compute machine and not worry is nice and imo easier.
    
    For only Jellyfin, then I agree - if that is where it stops you could run it all on an N100 integrated motherboard and have a lean sleek system that hosts your files and your streaming server. But when your services starts being too much for the N100 then it’s nice to separate it a bit and for me it feels natural to split it between compute/storage.
    
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- Scrath@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Out of curiosity, do yoy know how Jellyfin handles network failures with mounted network drives?
  
  I had a navidrome server where once my network machine failed to start properly, the entire database was deleted because it looked to the server like I deleted all of my files. I luckily had my favorites cached on my phone client and was able to restore most of my playlists from there but it was still an incredibly annoying thing to go through. I have since turned off automatic scanning of files for that service since that seemed like the only way to prevent this happening again
  
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  - anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Just like navidrome it seems like Jellyfin reacts to failed mounts by emptying libraries.
    …jellyfin.org/t-solved-network-not-mounted-before…
    
    With version 10.11.0 they offer a built in backup system for db/metadata/subtitles though so once access is restored it’s easy to restore any metadata changes you’ve done to your library. (As long as you got a backup since before that is)
    jellyfin.org/docs/general/…/backup-and-restore/#c…
    
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MTK@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Tip, look at second hand sites/fb marketplace (i know 😒) you can find great deals.

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- Ufo_kid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Check drive age/hours though, I forgot to and bought a 60K hour drive that failed almost immediately.
  
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