Submitted 13 hours ago by Dharkstare@mastodon.world to games@lemmy.world
Slay the Spire is one of those games where the more I play it, the worse I do. I did better at this game when I didn't know what I was doing then I do now after hundreds of hours in the game.
My problem is that my brain can’t grasp skipping the reward for winning a battle. Success should feel good. But skipping cards feels really bad.
Me too. Took me a bit. Since your deck always reshuffles no matter what, your best strategy is to make the smallest deck with the best cards so you found get them more often.
The reward is seeing cards. You only click one of it makes your deck better.
Ever since getting a copy on Steam and not being able to bring my save over, I have found that my win ratio is 0. It was never high to begin with, but it’s cratered with 0 wins.
Have you tried Inscryption?
It’s a lot like slay the spire, but shit gets weird. (In a good way)
Thanks for the recommendation, never heard of this before.
I love Inscryption very much but my favorite game the creator of Inscryption did is his previous game, “The Hex”. I recommend anyone reading this go in blind, don’t trust the screenshots you see on Steam, everything makes sense after less than an hour of playing and it gets so much more nuts and creative from there.
I’ve got both of these games, which one should I play first? I’m fully expecting to put hundreds of hours into each so I guess I want the smaller/simpler one first, but if you’ve played both and can make a (spoiler free) recommendation then please do!
Inscryption is an interesting story designed around an interesting card game, and it ends when you finish the story. The devs other games work with this game to build a deeper world (The Hex, Pony Island, etc), and the lore of Inscryption goes pretty deep too, so look on YouTube for a breakdown once you finish and your mind will be blown.
Slay the Spire is a roguelike with a bit deeper mechanics, but incredibly shallow story (if you can call it that). There are multiple classes with different play styles, and you will likely take a different strategy each run depending on what cards you see.
I highly recommend both, but it depends on what excites you more, interesting story or replayability. Inscryption has horror elements in the storytelling, Slay the Spire is basically just a weird fantasy theme.
My preference is Inscryption, but I’m more into story than gameplay, all else being equal. Both are solid.
So both are card game rogue likes, but…
Slay is more like “shuffle a deck of cards and try your luck”
Inscryption is more “I’ve created some puzzles for you to solve.”
Me with Hades.
The best run that I went the farthest on was like, my 3rd one? The RNG wss just right and I was effectively immortal as long as I kept dashing and attacking. Died to like the 4th or 5th boss in a single hit. Can’t out heal that! 😫
Keep at it, the mirror unlocks really help (plus you just get better at dodging etc)
I had a hard time with it too. God Mode made it much better for me, don’t be afraid to use it if needed!
I’m not as down on it as I am with Returnal. I actually want to know wtf is going on in that one and the story is entirely RNG too lol
I struggled for a while but eventually I unlocked all the mirror stuff and got it dialed in so I could get specific duos to become godly OP every run I did. It took a lot of memorization of what boons were needed to get those duos, and when to reroll though!
I did a similar early run. Everything clicked and then took me FOREVER to get past the 2nd one again.
Youre right. Ive never completed a ascension 20, I dont even have every character that high, but if I turn ascension off I clear the game easy. Youre more skilled than it looks like you are, just revert to base game and watch.
I watch expert twitch streamers’ play to learn the plays, card picking and risk control. It helps greatly in playing A20H and start your first win streaks.
You can also see them making mistakes, which gives a point of reference and feel superior Also you will feel like you are experts while watching their play
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 13 hours ago
Absolutely. The reason for this is that as you get to understand the mechanics more you’ll naturally start adopting higher risk play which provides access to higher potential rewards, and that is in some ways necessary to progress, and also really incredibly satisfying when it pays off. But the risks will bite you more often, which then feels like you’re just “being worse at the game”. The progression and scaling mechanics of games like these basically force you to adopt riskier strategies to overcome the challenges that higher levels of play bring.
The really experienced high level players do a very delicate balancing act of min/maxing to do get the absolute most they can out of the minimum level of risk they need to realistically have a sensible chance of success. Finding that sweet spot in the ocean of randomness is the real skill, and people will all have their own different sweet spot of risk vs reward, but in almost all cases there will always be a significant risk of losing because that’s just how the game is balanced especially for higher level play. Luck and trying to make perfect decisions with imperfect information are always a factor.
showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 11 hours ago
This is one thing that Baltro has hands above StS. Each character really only has a few builds that can really skyrocket, but trying to build them can make it very annoying if things don’t go the way you need and it very hard to pivot to another type of build. Where as Baltro makes it pretty easy to pivot to another type of build if you suddenly get a great joker.
Reggie@discuss.tchncs.de 12 hours ago
I agree, but as you progress you unlock more cards which water down your pool. So going for a build becomes more luck dependent. Haven’t played in a while but I remember this being a frustrating factor.
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 12 hours ago
True, that’s what I was trying to imply when I said it’s necessary to progress. I suppose someone could maybe devise a mod to provide evidence to the contrary, but I’m pretty sure the starter deck pool simply wouldn’t have enough scaling to survive at higher ascension levels.
That said, I would absolutely love some kind of mechanic that allows you to control the contents of the overall pool to some limited degree as well. (Too much freedom would essentially trivialize the game and I’m not sure if there’s any mechanic that would provide effective counterplay to a literally stacked deck)
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
Yes, item bloat is very real. Binding of Isaac had too much of it, but at least Edmund started buffing bad items a bit more with the DLCs and patches.
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Yeah but you can remove cards as well, can’t you?