Not necessarily. Still takes energy to move it. Depending on the energy required, could still have a cost
Shipping costs will no longer exist if teleportation is invented.
Submitted 5 weeks ago by Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
The cost will be comparatively less, and negligible given that digital goods don’t have “energy” fees (and never had, btw)
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
Why?
We traded energy cost for time when we stopped walking, and replaced it with an animal and a cart, and again with cars, and airplanes. We save time, but the energy input is greater.
Who’s to say that teleportation wouldn’t be a trade off between 5x the energy to take a jet, but instantaneous?
squaresinger@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
This really depends.
Teleportation consists of three main phases:
- scanning/deconstruction
- sending
- reconstruction
If the deconstruction and/or reconstruction phases cost a ton of energy, it doesn’t matter if the sending phase has a high energy bill.
But since you have transmit data on each atom, you will have huge amounts of data to send.
For example, 1kg of carbon has about 5*10^25 atoms. Humans aren’t made entirely of carbon, but the rough order of magnitude will be similar. Let’s go with a 70kg human and we end up with roughly 10^27 atoms.
Let’s say we have good compression techniques and a single byte is enough to store all data of one atom. That means, we need to send about 10^28 bits of data.
In September 2023 the total bandwith of the global internet was about 1.2 Pbps, or 10^15 bits per second.
So to transmit a single human being with the speed of the entire global internet combined it would take 10^13 seconds or about 300 000 years. I think that kind of data transmission could cost a little bit of money.
Compare that to the cost of shipping 70kg of human being anywhere on the planet. By plane, it will cost in the order of a few thousand Euros and it will take one day, two at most, not 300 000 years.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
You can’t possibly know that. What if moving someone instantaneously costs the same amount of energy as moving it through 3d space?
BussyCat@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Teleportation is a made up technology so the rules around it are made up. But if we set some basic rules for it that are at least somewhat ground in science fiction.
You will probably need a receiving pad for the teleported items to arrive to as the earth is constantly moving through space so you need to anchor the teleporting location, that will probably be expensive
In order to follow the first law of thermodynamics where energy has to be conserved at the minimum the energy required for moving the goods will have to be used by the transporter and probably with some amount of inefficiency so if we say it takes the same amount of energy as it currently cost but with less labor and less warehouses it can easily cost several dollars and would scale based on distance
So you would probably be responsible for paying those energy costs and the teleporter pad costs
rowdy@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
“If I make something up, I can make up whatever I want about it.”
Yup.
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Unless the teleporters cost money to run?
Colonel_Panic_@eviltoast.org 5 weeks ago
I’d imagine the energy cost to teleport something would be much higher than a vehicle, just faster.
Also thanks to Capitalism, even if it was 0 energy and instant, the fees would stay or go up. A business under capitalism will never voluntarily decrease potential profits in the long term.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Same reasons airplanes didn’t kill trains and boats for freight. Airplanes are fast, but they ain’t cheap.
slazer2au@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I see you are missing the the ever present influence of corporate greed.
Pay us $30 to get the package to your customer in 3 days, or $150 to get it there in the next hour. Why $150? because people will pay it.
ieatpwns@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
With the greed of corporations you pay the premium tier for teleportation and low cost shipping to wait a few days.
DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
$600 for your teleport pad and just a $29.99 a month subscription after
Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Shipping costs may go, but shipping fees will remain.
ulterno@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
Yeh, then it would be teleportation costs.
wewbull@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
Once teleportation exist, so do replicators and all costs apart from energy costs disappear.
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Internet is technically teleportation (of data) and I am not seeing replicators anywhere.
mxeff@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
With the interpretation of the internet being teleportation of data, your Webbrowser becomes a replicator of data, as e.g. the video that you are streaming from YouTube is merely being copied from its servers., but not deleted from its source.
In general computers are just copying data, i.e. replicating data.
wewbull@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Ah, yes. That’s why when you upload a photo to facebook, only one friend gets to download it before you have to re-upload it for the next person.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 weeks ago
If capitalism is still the main ecomonic system when that happens, the costs will still exist they just won’t be justified the same way.
thatradomguy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Trump won’t exist if teleportation is invented.
aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 5 weeks ago
it will probably require lots of tokens though
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Knowing how expending machines are more expensive that buying in a shop, even if the cost are lower. I 100% know that even free teleportation would be more expensive for the user.
vane@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The physical shipping costs will be much higher, the shipping market will become luxurious and you won’t be able to afford that.
JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
That’s so far from true. It’ll be cost of electricity. Heat. Distance shipped. They’ll probably tack on some country border crossing fee. They’ll find ways to make it more expensive simply because it’s an earth shattering technology.