Submitted 1 year ago by nix@merv.news to technology@lemmy.world
It will be open source, end to end encrypted using Signal’s double ratchet encryption protocol, and he plans to make it easy for fediverse platforms to integrate it. The beta will release later this month.
He’s also the creator of fedidb.org btw
I just saw this on Mastodon and was about to post it here. 😄
Pretty cool idea. Though I’m not looking forward to trying to convince my friends to switch to yet another new platform. 😂
Im mainly looking forward to it replacing the “DMs” of mastodon and lemmy.
I’ve not been on either platform long enough to use the DMs, but this is a good point.
After all, DMs aren’t actually private on either platform, as far as I’m aware.
Yep. That was my first thought - how everyone says to use Matrix rather than Lemmy DMs for anything sensitive. This will be fantastic.
TIL you can DM on lemmy
Tell 'em it’s the last one they’ll need to.
Right now I just think about me and how I’ll use it. I’m eager to try this messaging app to have a way of being reachable by like-minded people.
To put it differently, I don’t want to be a slave of others’ choices. I know the network effect is real and that I’m powerless to break it. So I’ll just change my attitude, and embrace this wave. Who knows what will happen? And in the meanwhile, I’ll have fun using what to me seems right.
This is good.
It really is. In the past a new messenger or Plattform was always annoying as it inevitable meant, how can I get my friends to use this. But with activity pub it doesn’t matter anymore. Everbody can use the fediverse software of his taste and we can still all be interconnected. What a relieve. So many software solutions can compete against each other without us having always to start from zero. Brave new world.
I’ve been unhappy with the direction Signal has taken in recent months and Matrix always felt like it was trying to do too many things at once.
Happy to see something that would integrate directly into Fediverse platforms as it will greatly enhance interplatform communication.
Like a better FB messager.
You should try Beeper too.
I’d never heard of that until now, looks amazing!
SimpleX looks intriguing
It’s great, I’m migrating all my contacts to it. AGPL, no phone number or identifier, decentralized, official lemmy community, fast development pace, …
Session too. Not a big fan of signal since it requires giving them your phone number.
It’s crazy how much the creator of pixelfed does. And it’s literally only 1 person working on all the things he does.
He’s a madman
I wonder if he is friends with the guy who runs calibre and kitty terminal. I read somewhere that he was seriously planning to single-handedly maintain python 2 after it was EOLed because it was so integral to calibre. But was eventually talked into transitioning to python 3. The idea of that is totally nuts; the guy is a machine.
Makes more sense as matrix client than ActivityPub
Oh god matrix is such a bitch to handle and deal with, laggy and just in need of so much work. I’ll be so happy to have an alternative.
I used it and hosted it for months with friends and family and we all got locked out due to bugs and had neighboring federated servers that wouldn’t connect.
What year? I’ve run a docker synapse for a couple years with no issues (other than iOS client encryption bugs). I was surprised I could run it without a restart for 6months+
I’m still trying to figure out why this would be used over Matrix. It seems to be the same without bridges?
I’m not leaving Signal until someone implements keeping data at rest encrypted on both ends and requires multi factor unlock (bio+pin is my choice).
So sick of E2E clients that leave the data in plaintext on the devices and then back it up in plaintext to the cloud.
Does Signal back up in plaintext in the cloud? Where do the pub/ private keys live, exactly, tbh. (Assuming it is asymmetric encryption that they use?)
Signal doesn’t store any of your chats at all. They’re all on-device by design
this rocks actually. I’ve kinda wanted this for a while
Great news that it will work across the fediverse. I’d love to try pixefed, but its got too much of a walled garden thing going on since nobody I know uses it.
I just uninstalled Pixelfed. Mostly because the app is absolutely garbage on Android, and the developer made it look like an iOS app.
The app is just so dead. I’m happy to revisit later, but as for now I’ll stick with posting my stuff on Mastodon and Lemmy.
Fedilab works great for me.
Sadly it doesn’t look so much like an iOS app, more like a bad Instagram clone 😕
Your link, https://mastodon.social/@dansup/110836811082599292%20sup.%20is%20an%20open%20source%20encrypted%20fediverse%20instant%20messenger,%20similar%20to%20whatsapp,%20made%20by%20pixelfed.%20%20The%20beta%20will%20be%20launching%20later%20this%20month,%20and%20btw%20most%20fediverse%20accounts%20will%20work,%20not%20just%20Pixelfed%20%F0%9F%98%89 is broken. I think you accidentally copied the body text as well. Cleaning up the link results in mastodon.social/@dansup/110836811082599292, which works fine.
Thanks, fixed.
Yeah i was just about to say this, doesn't seem to have federated with kbin yet so this is a clickable link for anyone who wants to view the toot: https://mastodon.social/@dansup/110836811082599292
Desktop fscking client, please. Not electron based would be nice, yes? QT is good.
ICQ-style or old Skype-style user directory would be wonderful too. VoIP is not something I’d care about, file transfers are.
This is cool.
Chill, you’re not the only one here.
VoIP in a mainstream messenger is something that most people use nowadays to avoid calling people from their SIM cards which costs them much.
Video calling too is something I personally use too especially on iMessage or Telegram.
I’m a software engineer, I appreciate some old school things that work perfectly well like ICQ or Vim or emacs or working only with shortcuts. But you know what’s also a shortcut? Not having to use 50 different messengers just because this one doesn’t have VoIP and I can’t bring my friends or my mom here but I can bring only my nerd friends”.
This is all business and target audience oriented. You are not the only target audience out there and especially when you don’t demand from a messenger to be able to have VoIP. Even Instagram has VoIP these days. A photo-video-media sharing app. Let alone a messenger.
I wonder, what 'works with the fediverse ’ could mean for a messenger and what could be features not already implemented by different messengers, like elements or the very signal.
I’m not a fan of Pixelfed, or instaclones. But the idea of a messenger e2ee that works with all the fedi is such a awesome idea.
Why are you not a fan? I’m genuinely curious, as I’m vaguely evaluating such software.
Not OP but personally I just don’t like picture centric social media. Just not my thing.
Will it support MLS? (I still don’t quite know the relationship between Double Ratchet and MLS)
Why not Matrix?
I really like the promise of MLS, all IM apps being interoperable is an amazing thing
I’m not sure it means the apps will be interoperable, only that the protocol for sharing keys will be standardized.
I highly doubt that we will see any kind of standardization in the actual messaging protocols in the next 10 years.
How is this different than something like Matrix? I’m probably just not understanding something…
This is meant to work with the ActivityPub fediverse ie. Mastodon, Lemmy, Kbin, Pixelfed etc. and you would be able to use your current lemmy.world account for messaging.
But why is that such a great benefit? We already have a myriad accounts for different services/platforms; would this be merely a marginal improvement over the current situation?
I want this at the ActivityPub level, for direct/group messaging at least.
I’m good, thanks. I don’t really have a giant circle of friends so I feel the warrant of messaging apps pointless. Discord is where everyone is mostly at, for me.
Discord is a centralised, proprietary service, sup would be a fediverse app. Discord is better than Sup just like Reddit is better than Lemmy.
So?
Sup is a lazy name and I’ve no use for something. Not sure why it’s such a problem for people to mass downvote me over. I don’t really jump into something so readily just because a handful of people have done it. I’ve already stated my reasons and I’m sticking to it. I’m not going to use something under the basis of “some people have done it!”. Plus some reasons have been stated by other people here over Sup. If I’m reading about how some dude who made it, has a bit of some skepticism towards them, then it makes me skeptical and makes me not want to use it.
He’s also the creator of fedidb.org btw
I don’t get it. It’s a blank page. Is there some obsolete tech I need to re-enable?
Not blank for me. I see a bunch of graphs and statistics about the fediverse.
I get the graphs, too. Kind of reminds me of the sites I’d use to monitor COVID infections a couple of years ago. Maybe the earlier poster tried to load the site during a server outage (or maybe their own Internet connection had a hiccup.)
Nice🔥
That’s awesome
Another messenger = another target for all who hate it. This is another way - let’s see them target that channel.
I don’t think this could convince the rest of the family to switch off Line, but I’m pulling for it.
This sounds fascinating!!
I am excited for this!
This seems highly sexual
Thanks you Daniel superman supernault @dansup@mastodon.social
ren@lemmy.world 1 year ago
While I doubt I could get my friends and family on yet ANOTHER messaging app in the year of our lord 2023.
Sup. Is a fucking brilliant name.
Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 year ago
Could be a fantastic way to replace dm, that’s my first thought.
Magiwarriorx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I remember idly wondering how DMs worked in Lemmy, and I was kinda shocked when I realized they aren’t secure.
weedazz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Double rachet encryption protocol is also rather dope
garretble@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I personally hate the name, but only because I had a roommate in college who would start every conversation with “sup.”
On text messages, IMs, in person, you name it. It really started to get under my skin.
But I hope the software is good.
TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 1 year ago
So, you’re playing a little Playstation, huh? That’s whack. Playstation is whack. 'Sup with the whack Playstation, 'sup?
shevek@lemm.ee 1 year ago
(what’)SUP 🤪
Rodeo@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I might know that guy lol
jungekatz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think it will integrate with the existing fediverse