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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

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  • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    ok since people are getting confused and just saying “4chan stuff” I’ll actually explain the meaning because I think it’s a pretty good message.

    I’ll explain using a transfem experience since that’s what I’m knowledge on, but the post could be referring to transmasc or something else.

    background: Orange is a trans woman. She was assigned male (another color) at birth and has transitioned to orange.

    explanation:

    orange has been on “color gel”[1] for 3 years, but “grayscale-mode”[2] in public.

    1.The color gel is a show in for estrogen/testosterone gel which is a hormone that makes you appear more feminine/masculine.
    2.Trans women, particularly those who are early on in transition, will sometimes “boymode” in public if they don’t feel safe enough to be themselves. This is saying orange will pretend to be grey to not out themselves.

    green is confused as they see orange as nothing other than orange.

    orange feels that her color is too close to whatever she was before and says some 4chan type jargon

    in trans women there are a lot of negative genetic elements that will make it harder to pass which you can’t really change. Wide shoulders, being tall, deep voice, etc. Orange is dumping her trauma about this, saying everyone can tell and has accepted her fate as not passing.

    Green says that they think whatever site orange is on is bad for orange.

    this is because on 4chan or some other negative sites like some reddit subs people are BRUTALLY honest which can be a good thing but can also be horrible for self esteem. Another point is that people who are trans themselves notice the signs that someone is trans and can clock them easier than an average person. This brutal honestly made orange feel like she doesn’t pass, but that’s just because the people on the website have WAY more knowledge than average people, like green.
    Average people see trans women as just normal women with perhaps a deep voice.

    TLDR:
    orange was assigned another color at birth and feels like other people think they’re that color after exploring websites. Green is saying orange looks like orange and that the websites are unhealthy.

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    • BurgerBaron@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That wasn't poorly communicated at all no worries.

      I just quit a 10 year cannabis addiction because of the panic attacks.

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    • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      thank you for writing this up. ❤ I’m also trans and spent time in that particular community because I have very intense dysphoria/bdd and found other spaces to be toxically positive. it wasn’t a healthy place, and I picked up more brainworms, but I felt like I could vent and not feel so alone.

      it’s really easy for people without crippling dysphoria to sit back and judge you for going to /tttt/. it’s unhealthy, I know it’s unhealthy, but sometimes unhealthy outlets are the only way I can make the hurt get better for a while. I can’t just be all uwu skirt go spinny when my body feels like sewage.

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    • abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Not devaluing this perspective, but I think this could also be applied to a lot of different experiences. Anyone who has tried to change themselves in one way or another can relate to this. Obviously transitioning is one, but it’s a very human reaction to feel that way.

      It can be as minor as “I want to be an artist but I don’t want to share because people will critique” or as intense as transitioning.

      People may not have gone through the exact scenario, but its a very human experience to say “I want to but I’m not “good enough” yet, so I’m going to hide it”

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      • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        oh yeah for sure, it’s an allegory that can be associated in a lot of ways. I just chose being trans because I’m trans and could explain it better. Honestly its a pretty amazing meme

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    • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I skimmed this, but only because my brain is huge and I already know everything you’re saying, and also I’m busy trying to locate a methane leak in my kitchen. Even so, I think you explained this fine. Don’t worry about it. Rest easy and get yourself calm. :)

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      • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        thank you gas poisoned diva 🥰

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      • frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Nice to see Lemmy can be a good place sometimes.

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    • kibiz0r@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Thank you for your service

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    • ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I didn't even think this image had any meaning. I saw it entirely as a shitpost on internet discourse. But with the comments here I definitely see it. That is a possible context for the image.

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    • jacecomix@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Appreciate the summary. You made it much easier to understand.

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  • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    cis here.

    Until I read the comments I thought it was about people generically going down rabbit holes and coming out weird.

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    • ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Funniest thing is, it's how I saw it too. But it's fun to see that people have other views on what I found to be a shitpost with no real underlying message.

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      • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        It’s the “Pills that make you green” comic, and it’s an intentionally thinly veiled metaphor on trans people

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      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        It’s vague enough that people can insert their own meaning into it. Could be Trans issues, could be gymbro stuff, could be manosphere shit.

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  • AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    for anyone wondering: hsl(38, 79%, 51%) for orange and hsl(136, 64%, 42%) for green, that’s oklch(0.747 0.151 74) for orange and oklch(0.665 0.181 147) for green. interestingly the normal digital color model shows orange as more saturated, while a perceptual color space shows them as a little bit less

    (not trying to be the sort of person the comic is making fun of, I just like color lol)

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    • aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Can confirm, green perceived as more saturated.

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Damn, this actually made perfect sense to me.

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  • TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Is this about trans people or what?

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    • boobs_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It looks to me like it’s making fun of the really bad brain worms that permeate the trans 4chan community. There’s a very specific type of brain wormed in-group jargon being made fun of here. The orange stick figure is saying they’ll never be orange but we can clearly see they’re just… orange. The brain worms are so bad that they believe even while being orange, they aren’t actually

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      • Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Just knowing about 4chan and the kind of people that use the place, that seems like one of the most harmful places on the internet for trans people. It’s honestly shocking that there’s so much of a community there.

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    • Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Nah, it’s poking fun at incels and their 4chan jargon.

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      • TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Oh, what does ‘grayscalemoding’ mean then?

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    • WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Looks like it to me based what I’ve seen of people poking fun at the toxic trans 4chan stuff.

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  • icelimit@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Is this ‘I identify as an attack helicopter’ stuff?

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I don't think so. I read it as pro-trans stuff and slight critic of online slang culture.

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    • jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      it’s a parody on 4chan’s /tttt/ board, which is a place no trans person should ever visit for their own good. It is the sort of mixture of “scientific” sexism, transphobia and deep self-hatred that nobody should be exposed to.

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