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• Acamon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Some kids make fake ‘fairy’ photos in 1917 and lots of people believed them. As others have mentioned, the USSR removed people from photographs. A forged will in the middle ages let the papacy claim authority over Europe, and shaped the western world as we know it today.

  There have always been lies and fakes, and there’s always people who’ve ignored real evidence claiming it’s been fake. AI certainly makes things worse, and will be used to discredit legitimate evidence as much as it is used to fake shit. But humanity has lived most of its existence without a “pics or it didn’t happen” attitude, and will continue to figure stuff out (and make mistakes) through investigation, interpersonal trust and community.

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• MudMan@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No, it doesn't.

  I'm so mad about people buying into the fake hype.

  The death of truth was social media. Or squishy human brains on social media, I suppose. We just came from a massive argument about whether vaccines work, whether masks are useful in the middle of a repiratory virus pandemic and a bunch of Americans believed there was a pizzeria pedophilia vampire ring so much they elected a fascist turd president. Twice.

  What the hell is marginally better photo doctoring going to do in that context? Who gives an actual crap?

  The only real concern you should have is you now shouldn't trust phone calls that sound vaguely like someone you know from a phone number you don't recognize. And maybe if you get a video call from a celebrity standing suspiciously still don't wire them all your money.

  Otherwise we're just as boned as we were five years ago.

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  • 3abas@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You know how Google gives you AI summary at the top now? It’s great, isn’t it?

    No longer do you have to sift through multiple results to and give your device ad cancer just to get a simple answer to a question. Google just gives you the answer directly! It’s so great and helpful.

    Except when it’s not, but it never says “I don’t know, check the results manually”, it just makes shit up. The other day I googled “geely pixel 9 wireless connection” because I couldn’t connect my pixel 9 to a geely car wirelessly. Google (the maker of the pixel 9) confidently described how the “Geely Pixel 9 is a device made by Geely…” and went on to give useless instructions.

    This was a inconsequential query. What happens when you look up a serious topic and the sites that maintained that knowledge online no longer find it financially feasible? What happens when you rely on the trained model and that’s the only option? What happens when it hallucinates convincingly? Are you sure it hasn’t fooled you yet?

    Social media created bubbles of ignorance and fake news, AI replacing search intends to eliminate the non-bubbles the rest of us seek and count on. What are you gonna do, drive to the library and read books every time you need to learn something new?

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    • Jmsnwbrd@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You act like before Google we couldn’t figure things out. Sometimes not taking the easier/easiest way is better. We existed until the year 2000 without this futuristic computer in our pocket (technically longer) and we did just fine and we still had to suffer fools. Great example would be the emergence of AIDS spreading through the heterosexual community. Lots of disingenuous and lost humans and not a Google in sight. AI is computer driven and it’s counterpart will also be computer driven. . . I am convinced there will be a counterpart. We’ll have a “detect AI button” or something similar. If the program has language the program can be spotted. Scams, lies, propaganda, shilling, etc will always exist and the intelligence that creates these things will also have the chance to defeat these things. This is maybe naive or optimistic, but . . . so it goes.

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    • MudMan@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It does say "check the results manually". Not that this changes anything. For the record, always double check anything any AI tells you unless you can verify the response off the top of your head. Also for the record, double check anything anybody else tells you. If you haven't seen it from more than one source, you don't know if it's true.

      Hell, if the thing people learn from AI summaries is to never believe anything the see on the Internet without double checking it we'll be better off than we were before.

      Also, every negative impact you assign to AI is also applicable to traditional search. I was hearing communication scholars warn people of the issues with algorithmic selection and personalized search back in the 90s. They were correct.

      I am endlessly fascinated by the billions of boiling frogs that hadn't realized their perception of the world was owned by Google until Google made a noticeably change to their advertising engine. I am increasingly glad that AI is as unreliable as it is at this point.

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• cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  End of trust, not truth.

  Back in my day, we assumed that if it was on TV, it was a lie or likely not the whole truth. When the Internet began to rise up, we extended that mistrust to the Web.

  Lately, people have become too trusting of the Internet and I’m glad that trust is starting to roll back.

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  • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Back in my day, we assumed that if it was on TV, it was a lie or likely not the whole truth.

    Maybe you as a person, but a lot of society generally trusted broadcast television news. I think that part of the problem with old people going down the MAGA news hole is that they grew up in a time where you didn’t need a lot of media literacy to the level you do now.

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    • cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Maybe I worded that poorly. Yeah, we generally trusted the news, but for the most part the TV was the “idiot box” and was not to be trusted. At some point, the news — I think, largely, FOX News at first, but the others weren’t far behind — became “news entertainment” in the same way WWE was “sports entertainment.” It was either not real, or at the very least it was heavily biased. Whenever The Newsroom came out — what a lot of people know for a 3 minute YouTube edit about why “America is no longer the greatest country in the world anymore” but was really more of a love letter to the way the news used to be. They told real news in a way that was entertaining, but through a character (portrayed by Jeff Daniels) who was trying to tell the news the old way. Give people the facts and let them make up their own mind. But by that point, I think most news on TV was fake/heavily biased.

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• zxqwas@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Photos have been staged and lies have been printed as soon as those technologies were invented.

  AI generated stuff will cause video evidence to be weaker in court. Other than that we will quickly adapt as a society to become as resistant to fake videos as we are to fake photos or text.

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• SSUPII@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lying wasn’t something invented in modern times

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• Ziggurat@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Like… do governments just get to shape the world as they see fit?

  This is not new, most likely in history class you’ve heard about Soviet propaganda and saw how Trotsky was removed from photography.

  The interesting part is now every stupid ass can forge photograph without complex techniques and a long training. IMO it’s great, people will finally understand that a photo/video is most likely fake.

  It will help them to use their critical thinking skills and check the context

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  • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    People already aren’t using critical thinking skills. Why would they start now?

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• yogurt@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes but not because of generated videos. Cop just shoots you and the nearest bystander says “grok what happened” and their camera glasses say “What an intelligent question!!! It looks like someone was just nonviolently apprehended for a serious crime!!! You’re so pretty!!!” Then they ask grok if they can cross the street now and get hit by a truck.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Please visit your nearest firing squad for free cake!”

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• ushmel@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The major news outlets ran interference on a literal genocide for years now. I don't think AI will change much besides making the rubes rube harder.

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• Sophocles@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Like others have said, this is an age old question. Plato’s Cave is my favorite rendition of the question.

  The simple solution would be reason. Unless we live in a dystopia in full effect, like in 1984 or Fahrenheit 451, there will usually be multiple sources and perspectives on an issue or event, AI or not. Get info from all sides, and make a well informed personal decision with the info available. Never believe something initially and only do so if it is confirmed by multiple sources. Use logic, science, reason, ethos, or even faith as tools to seek and verify truth

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• LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Too late. Social media was already the end of truth.

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• StrixUralensis@tarte.nuage-libre.fr ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lol their technology is so superior, I’ve never heard about this until now xD

    (Seriously tho, I have heard of censorship in general, but never heard of a state literally editing photos, I thought they just ommitted publishing some photos)

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• Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Truth has not been around for a long time now. AI will make it worse.

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• Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This works both ways: you can also always claim it’s a deepfake even if it isn’t.

  If the government is after you they don’t need excuses so I doubt gen-AI changes anything in that regard.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But they would normally lose popularity, with a highly detailed 4K video (deepfake video, that is), the official narritive would be very convincing when state media put that video out there, and contradicting media censored. Human brains would be more convinced that a highly detailed (deepfake) video is real, rather than some blurry photoshop.

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• CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Did truth not exist before photography?

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• FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We are just asking old questions here. The printing press, novels, and pamphlets were the end of truth! We struggled, many people died, but life moved on. Then newspapers, more death, radio, world wars. Television, photoshop, the internet - fewer deaths in between but still. And life moved on.

  Every new medium brought a phase of uncertainty (and possible carnage). That’s where we are right now. Every time we think “this is the worst EVER.” Until the next thing comes around. We will figure out the slop tsunami as well. I think fewer people will die than during the reformation.

  Some people will successfully bend truth to generated video or whatever. But in the end, most will not succeed. Because we get wiser at spotting the bullshit. Q Anon showed us the learning isn’t a linear development; it follows more of a two steps forward, one step back pattern.

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• Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  An arguement could be made that good governance is the responsibility of citizens/voters.

  So it’s up to us (in the broad sense) to elect goverments that do not engage in cover-ups and do not shape the world as they see fit.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But this means once a country becomes authoritarian, or for those already in authoritarian countries, its over. Its would hard for any resistance to be able to trust each other.

    Lile you see a video of your fellow revolutionaries apparantly colluding with the government and spying for them. Do you trust the video? What if its fake? Its gonna fracture your rebellion.

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    • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You need really need genAI for a country to become authoritarian.

      My bigger point is that it’s counterproductive to think of a government as an external black box. At the end of the day it’s a reflection of society (at least to some degree).

      What to do about it is another question. But IMO the first step has to be recognition of “how things got to be this way”. If you can’t do that, the discussion around the impact of genAI are IMO moot.

      Take russia as an example. In the 90s they had a relatively open media landscape, chaotic and influenced by oligarchs, but critique was allowed and it was very prominent.

      But the russians elected a KGB goon in 2000 and then reelected him in 2004 after he shut down most independent media in his first term.

      To this day, the russian opposition continues to look for scapegoats (90s liberals, Yeltsin, etc.) and reject any responsibility of society more broadly (revanchist, supremacist ideas, imperialism)

      If you can’t even do that, then how are you going to deal with the impact of genAI.

      My bigger point is that, IMO, genAI is almost a red herring. There will always be tech that can be used to enable authoritarianism. There is no magical tech solution to what is fundamentally a social issue.

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• Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Photoshop.

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• FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There was a time when photos didn’t exist, we go back to that standard of proof.

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• mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not really if you know which AI models are not government-owned.

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• phonics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  truth is just the most common belief. not 100% factual.

  it was once truth the world was flat, then the sun revolved around the earth. then the world was round. next will be the earth is a tesseract. then finally truth will be earth is a hexigon the bestigon and we can finally rest.

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s not a widely used definition of Truth.
    At the very least, it’s one I’ve never heard before.

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    • phonics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      it has to be the definition though. human understanding is limited, therefore what we believe is fact, can theoretically be ‘wrong’ and disproven in the future by new advancements in science. so ‘truth’ is just belief in fact.

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• ruuster13@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In the Hunger Games, people learned to communicate by holding up 3 fingers. You could force a news cameraman to cut the feed by strategically saying one name. You don’t even need me to recite the name here. Humans created AI; don’t let your juiced-up amygdala convince you a tool we made is more powerful than the human spirit.

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• lordnikon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes and no yes in the fact that propaganda is meant not to change your mind directly but put out so many lies that it overloads critical thinking of a population. All ai does is make it so easy for anyone to do that. No in the fact for the individual if you vet your sources and stay away from algorithm powered feeds or feeds in general.

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