Submitted 3 weeks ago by tripflag@lemmy.world to selfhosted@lemmy.world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15_-hgsX2V0
I made a video about copyparty, the selfhosted fileserver I’ve been making for the past 5 years.
The main focus of the video is the features, but it also touches upon configuration. Was hoping it would be easier to follow than the readme on github… not sure how well that went, but hey :D
This video is also available to watch on the copyparty demo server, as a high-quality AV1 file and a lower-quality h264.
Your readme looks super in depth, thanks for that! I haven’t watched the video yet but will later.
I didn’t see it mentioned from a quick glance, but is either sftp or ftps supported?
SFTP is not currently on the roadmap, but it’s not entirely implausible.
FTPS is supported, but it requires an optional dependency to be installed (pyopenssl), so it’s not available in the Windows EXE. And I just realized that the dependency is currently not present inside the docker images either, so I’ll get that fixed right away.
Screenshots of the ui at the top of the readme would be nice
Clearly a labour of love 👍
Maybe support for some music streaming apps (subsonic?) would be cool?
That’s a neat idea – I’ve heard that a lot of stuff uses the subsonic API under the hood, so I’ll see what it would take to become compatible with that. At first glance it looks like I’d have to mine and index way more information about audio files, but could still be doable :>
Looking at and/or incorporating Navidrome might be helpful.
Hey fellow scener, cool project!
Just a few thoughts/questions:
BTRFS and ZFS support real deduplication via copy on write, and would eliminate all current disadvantages of symlink and hardlink deduplication. It just works.
yeah that’s a good point, I’ll add an option to take advantage of this if you know you’re running on a filesystem where that works as intended.
Why have it be one huge python source file?
oh don’t worry, it’s all separate files during development – there’s a build-stage which bundles everything up into a single file for distribution. But thanks for the concern :D
Ah, so you have compiled it into one file? Didn’t know that was possible for python, what tool do you use for this?
What do you use to bundle into one file?
Just a remark from someone who runs ZFS since the beginning. Many people don’t like the deduplication feature because of its memory footprint.
It’s also nice to have this feature without relying on a certain filesystem.
I assume you mean automatic deduplication? I haven’t used ZFS, but BTRFS does not have that. There are a variety of ways to perform deduplication, I have duperemove scheduled to run regularly.
If ZFS is still capable of being instructed to perform deduplication when automatic deduplication is turned off, which it really should be able to do, then this should work even with it turned off.
The fact you mention security features, without ever saying it's 'super secure' tells me you know a lot about what you're doing. I'm so sick of apps like this that start with "most secure app on the net" but you know they're delusional. Thank you, going to check this out.
so uhh, sorry for the late response to this – was going to reply much earlier, but then suddenly it became more timely than ever…
the good news is, I’m fairly confident in how it handles the filesystem and permissions, preventing unauthorized access to files.
but the part I’m a bit less sure about is sanitizing user data; the kind of vulnerabilities where someone uploads a malicious file and bad stuff happens if you then open that file in a certain way, or someone sends you a malicious link and trick you into clicking it – in other words, the kind of vulnerabilities which require the attacker to have a certain level of access already, or that requires tricking you into doing something.
…and with version 1.18.5 released just now, we got a prime example of exactly one of those. Really unfortunate timing, but it’s a blessing to have so many new and curious eyes on it to spot these sooner rather than later. It is what it is.
Put out some in-depth docker instructions and this will be common use in a month. Good work.
Yup, I tried to run the docker image with the suggested docker command and it errored out for lack of a config file (though it did offer a fix in the logs for mounting the current directory as read/write)
Agreed.
The docker compose file worked great for me.
They may have patched it. I’ll check it out thanks.
Is there a way to help translate the UI into Danish.
Would also be willing to help translate the UI.
Holy shit this is so unbelievably full featured it’s not even funny. This is going to rattle some big names. I wonder how long till they try to shut it down because it’s better than anything commercially available.
I haven’t even tried it yet, but just from the video you can tell it’s going to be insanely good.
It’s the first bit of software I’ve seen in a long time where I took one look and immediately thought “Fuck me, I need that!”
I use Unraid and just on the off-chance I went to the Unraid community ‘app store’ and someone’s already created a Docker definition for it, published today! The hype is real
I’ll be giving this a shot latrr
Everyone loves CP. Tell all your friends about CP.
Every single time I have seen one of your comments, you have disappointed me
Are China Parties like Tupperware Parties, where friends get together and one shills a pyramid scheme? That’s what CP is, right?
no, CP is copypasta, the thing you put into your China.
the dude even mentions ladybird as browser, nice 😎
it’s such an impressive project! Amazing what they’ve accomplished in so little time, and so important too – we need as many options as we can get.
I agree but it’s still in an early development state. Not really usable for everyday work let alone most people never heard about it 😅 But yeah still cool to mention it under “modern” browsers. I wish them good luck with the first alpha next year. I hope it’ll be successful.
I bumped into copyparty the other month when looking for a software that could let me transfer files to a friend with the ability to pause/resume. Didn’t bother with it, tried another software instead. Never really got it to work so I gave up on it.
Bumped into the YouTube video today, decided to give copyparty a shot, damn sir you’ve written a fine piece of software. It’s so easy to get up and configure. The UI is a bit janky, but charming at the same time. Thanks for all the hard work!
“It’s janky. It’s charming. It works. It’s Copyparty.” ®
Oh my god, this seems really good and closer to what I want than anything yet. Been looking for something to replace Nextcloud and found nothing good so I might take a look at this.
I replaced nextCloud’s file sharing with Syncthing just recently, as I found myself only synchronising between two computers (one desktop, one smartphone) anyway. :-)
That won’t work for me since I have multiple people using this Nextcloud instance, and I also use it to publicly share files. I also have a big network share (currently 5 TB of data) that I would like to better integrate somehow (right now it’s available from Nextcloud read-only in essentially “anonymous mode” with no access to private user files).
Just curious, why did you replace nextcloud? I’m looking into transitioning from my current file server, and I’ve mostly heard only good things and not NextCloud.
I want something with a permission model that works the same when accessed over a network share (SMB, ideally NFS) and access over a web interface. Ideally it would have a Mac File Provider sync client and whatever the Windows equivalent is called as well.
Nextcloud is like Windows 95, it works great when you install it then it just keeps getting slower as you fill it with content
Thanks for making the video but also for providing non Youtube link. Maybe there is a PeerTube server that would enjoy hosting it.
Ho… Ly… Shit… This is great! The UI is a bit confusing at first but doesn’t take long to get what’s going on. I might even be disappointed with a UI revamp 😁 I can’t believe how much functionality this has. It’s already replacing some processes I have for mounting drives and backing up files. Maybe I missed something, but my only complaint would be the lack of an automatic one-way folder sync in the Party UP! app.
I’m blown away, great job!
That “functional but charming” UI reminds me of audiobookshelf with the soundleaf app - same vibe where it dosn’t look fancy but gets the job done better than most polished alternatives!
This looks great but I really wish it had SFTP.
thanks for the vote, I hear ya :>
Don’t believe it. This is easily too good to be true.
I have a question, and I want to emphasise thar this is not criticism but a request for dive into technicalities.
In the video you mentioned copyparty has an one-way sync tool. Is there a good reason why it’s not two-way, or is this just something you weren’t motivated to do?
No worries, good question :>
The problem with bidirectional filesync is that it’s an absolutely massive can of worms, very easy to mess up, and the consequences of messing up are usually the worst kind (loss of data). There’s an insane amount of edgecases to keep in mind, and you need to get every edgecase right every single time, otherwise you might wipe someone’s vacation photos, or suddenly downgrade someone’s keepass database to an older version… And stuff like syncing multiple devices to the same server makes it balloon further.
I’ve started becoming more confident in copyparty’s filesystem-index database, but it’s still just a hint/guideline, with the filesystem being the only source of truth – it’s still not something I’d trust with tracking sync-state against one or more clients.
The bigger guys who offer bidirectional sync (nextcloud, syncthing, etc.) have spent years perfecting their logic, so I’d like to leave this in their capable hands.
Sync is one of those things that seems like it should be trivial but is actually super complicated.
Thank you for your answer! Do you think copyparty would work together with Syncthing on the same backing directory, or would they compete for changes etc? Copyparty in this scenario would be for sharing content with friends and occasional remote upload
Oh my gawd what a README!! I’m on my phone and I was trying to scroll back to the top of it from the bottom and I just kept on scrolling… Holy shit I’m going to put this on my kanban board give it proper attention
At this rate might be faster to read code than a read me. Or convert to a wiki style if this much details are really needed.
Well done! This is exactly what I’ve been looking for! And it’s fun to use and has an aesthetic that reminds me of browsing ftp servers back in the day. And these themes?! I love the whimsy mixed with actual usability.
And its a damn good file server so far: fast, easy to use, makes reasonable security choices, and accessible in the ways I want (rclone mount)
Elderly raspberry pi B [✓]
Large portable drive gathering dust [✓]
Guess I’m setting up a locally hosted file server in the near future.
Look cool! I think you should consider putting a screenshot of the UI somewhere near the top of the README
There is a link to a live demo pretty close to the top.
I’m properly in awe at this project. Not only does it support a wide range of protocols and runs practically everywhere, but it can play audio, video, display images and has keyboard shortcut support ???
It’s got everything I could think about and so much more.
I can’t wait to try it out !
Thank you so much for your time and for making this open source.
Thanks a lot for the kind words! ready to answer questions if you hit any bumps :>
Can we have Gopher support?
I was thinking of that!! But then I realized that even Firefox removed gopher support by now, so the joke was dead on arrival :P
Firefox isn’t that great for FTP either. Gopher still exists :-) and I’d love to use it even more.
The video are amazing. It’s entertaining and explains everything so it’s easily understood.
Great job on something like this! I’ll probably give it a whirl soon, I like Nextcloud but find it clunky sometimes because it’s often a bit more than I need. Maybe breaking it up into Immich + this would help! Thank you for sharing your project!
One thing to note, your comparison against Nextcloud has a partially-incorrect point regarding file upload max size. The client does upload chunking, so is unaffected by the Cloudflare issue as well, but I believe the web client is still affected, just not the apps. docs.nextcloud.com/…/big_file_upload_configuratio…
I suspect a few others may be as well, but I’m only familiar with the Nextcloud one because that’s what I’ve been running, and discovered in making sure I could still upload video files recorded while out and about.
Also love that it looks like a simpler install!
Thanks for the correction; confirmed that Nextcloud now does chunked uploading (with the web-client too). Fixed :>
Good luck, and let me know if you hit any issues o/
Sometimes I feel so new to setting up my own digital ecosystem because I look at a thing and think “that’s so cool” but struggle to imagine it at home. So could someone help me understand.
This would be a replacement for something like Google Drive or Proton Drive? The actions I would use this for would be:
So I would spin this up on my NAS or my main PC and replace those services and accomplish those actions using this software?
Are there other services or actions I’m missing? Am I misunderstanding the premise entirely?
Oh yea, copyparty could do that. I might just do that too. My issue is more how do I grant them access to my network to get the thing tough? I currently use wireguard profiles and lock down where they can reach with rules and shit on a firewalla on a per account basis but that’s really complex and inelegant. It works and would working copypasta, but I kind of wish there was a simple webUI where I could define what a WireGuard user should be able to reach on my network with simple checkboxes by rules I have created over time. Probably wouldn’t tie into firewalla nicely though it could be more likely with OPNsense.
Hmm. Surely someone must have thought of that already. It would make adopting things like copypasta much simpler and less risky.
I think Copyparty would be great for that purpose. The only thing you’re missing is a way to expose it to the internet, such as a public IP or some tunnel
Yep! Depending on what your home connection looks like, you have a few options:
if you are lucky enough to have your own private IP-address and are able to open ports, then you’re almost done already – you can put copyparty on some port (or keep the default 3923), and then anyone could connect to it by going to your.ip.address:3923
(with this approach, you will want to create your own HTTPS certificate so the traffic is properly encrypted – the best option here is to get a domain and get a certificate for the domain)
however, if you are behind CGNAT, meaning your internet provider has given you a shared IP-address, then people cannot connect directly to your home-PC. One way around that issue is by setting up a machine somewhere on the internet which bridges the gap back home to your PC. Cloudflare offers this as service, and this is explained in the copyparty readme – see the “at home” section for one way to do that.
if you are against using Cloudflare for idealistic reasons (they are becoming quite powerful since they run a whole lot of the internet), then you can set up a cheap VPS which serves the same purpose. That’s my setup, and how you are accessing the copyparty demo server right now – I have the cheapest VPS you can get from Hetzner. The VPS is running nginx, and it forwards the traffic to my homeserver through an SSH tunnel. I haven’t documented this approach in the copyparty readme, but I have a feeling a lot of other people have :>
This is very impressive and I’m highly likely to give it a whirl. My question is, though: would it be something that my very non-tech savvy wife could use?
Eg. I’m thinking setup the app on her phone with a default location and when she asks me for a file I can just tell her that I’ve “put it in the app”, and she’ll be able to easily retrieve it. Also same thing but vice versa, though the video seems to cover that via the Android share menu…
Again, super impressive. Good job!
I have a hunch that the true answer, to be honest, is “no” – at least with the current UI as it is. I’ve come to terms with not being the best at making intuitive user interfaces, so I went all-in on making it poweruser-friendly and efficiency instead.
Yeah, there’s the android app for sending files to the server, and it’ll always send files to the same folder, so that part should be pretty solid. But actually grabbing files from the server, perhaps not so much. Not sure I’d risk it, but I’ll leave the decision to you hehe
I’m not aware of any user-friendly android/iOS apps for connecting to a webdav / ftps / sftp server, but if those exist, then that would probably have been a good option!
Been using DAVx5 on Android with it (you don’t set it up as a full account, just a WebDAV mount) and the full exported filesystem shows up in the android file browser (as a remote mount like google drive)
This is insane. I think I’d use ten different applications and still not cover these features. And I can host this. Using a single python file.
I've been using copyparty for months, and it's just been an absolute gem. and the fact there are even iOS shortcuts to upload things you stumble across while doomscrolling is just icing on top.
Thank you so very much. I needed to transfer some files locally yesterday and didn’t have a NAT set up. So I thought I would quickly set up a samba share on my pop-os media server so my spouse (windows) and I (mint) could swap/store files on the fly in the future. It took me 25 minutes and I almost gave up because my config file was having issues.
This looks sooooo much nicer. May every road rise up to meet you
I would add PairDrop to your list to have bookmarked. It’s completely web-based so no download required and thus fully cross-platform. It also works across different networks (i.e. over the internet) by pairing devices or creating a room. Basically Apple AirDrop, but universal and on steroids.
Bookmarked, thanks. I’ll have to try them all out at some point and see what works quickest. Obviously the storage aspect of the poster is a different ball game, but out and about this sounds useful
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You made this on your phone on the bus ride to and from work.
I cleaned the cat box yesterday and consider than an accomplishment.
Fuck.
markstos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Congrats on the cat box cleaning!