I am not criticizing them, I’m just out of the loop.
Trans people and communists are nearly half of software dev. The other half are furries.
Why is there such a large amount of communist and transgender related posts on the Fediverse compared to other websites?
Submitted 1 year ago by nodsocket@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Deuces@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How dare you imply most software devs aren’t all three simultaneously
SouthernCanadian@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Not sure why this is such a common perception. Most of the software devs I know are pretty average people other than being computer nerds. I met one trans CS student in college but that was it.
MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 1 year ago
mate he didn’t say in general
he said the devs of Lemmy
normie cs dorkies are chasing 12hr intern jobs at explotative upstarts
Astroturfed@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Based off the amount of fury porn communities I’ve blocked, half seems very, very conservative. What’s the old joke, if a bomb went off at a fury convention the Internet would go down?
NickwithaC@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s more a Venn diagram which includes trans furries, communist furries and the illusive trans communist furry which has only been theorised to exist.
Chozo@kbin.social 1 year ago
it's amazing what you see when algorithms aren't deciding it for you.
sic_1@feddit.de 1 year ago
Maybe it’s that homophobia and transphobia are so dominant on mir popular platforms that there is a natural migration towards more free and liberal platforms. I always wondered why you see more and more racism, hate and such degeneracy the larger a platform becomes.
Fisk400@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think it’s because leftists are, as a group, a lot less toxic and hateful. They are happy to be a tiny community chatting with each other about being a trans furry communist all day every day.
The right on the other hand are, as a group, a bunch of anti social losers who thrive on hating and complaining about stuff. That’s not a sustainable platform because it’s either a miserable experience or it gets shut down for hate speech so they migrate around and attach themselves to heathier communities and complain about those instead.
Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Counterpoint. There’s a lot of furries and trans people on 4chan.
vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
It’s because when platforms get large enough Nazis (not metaphorical ones, actual 1488 self described National Socialists) start targeting them for recruitment purposes.
TheRealBob@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There aren’t nearly as many right wingers and fascists as social media makes you believe. Speaking as a Mastodon instance admin, every single time we’ve had huge waves of bot and/or troll signups they’ve been very clearly right wing accounts (almost all had similar bios) that almost immediately started interacting with and boosting each other as well as harassing trans and queer people.
The thing about the fediverse is that it can’t be manipulated the way centralized social media can. So what happens is that it gets handled very quickly. They get banned and their instances get defederated so all they can do is shout into the void. They’re not, nor have they ever been, the majority by any stretch of the imagination, and most people have absolutely no desire to hear what they have to say at all.
On top of that, a huge number of them are grifters, and they won’t get any engagement here. They can’t get the kind of viral outrage they need because most people aren’t even seeing their posts.
souperk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
stares in “12% of Greek voters choosing blatant facist parties”
Proweruser@feddit.de 1 year ago
Same problem in Germany (just worse) right now, but we should still remember that 12 or even 20% are far from the majority. They are very good at shouting so loud that you could think there are more, but there aren’t. They only have as much power as we give them.
madcaesar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
25% of any population is pure lunatics.
Another 25% are just dumb as rocks.
Then you got about 35% of average decent people.
Then you have 10 % of just awesome people.
5% rich sociopaths
10% other
TheRealBob@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was talking about social media specifically.
Skepticpunk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I wonder how long it’s gonna take for the elites to start trying to pull a Conservapedia on the Fediverse?
redcalcium@lemmy.institute 1 year ago
People that are naturally drawn to fediverse tend to be:
- self-hosting enthusiasts excited to run their own social media platforms, which are tend to be big supporters of FOSS
- left-leaning idealists who want to get away from big corps platforms
- pirates (arrr)
So it’s not that surprising to see plenty of anti-capitalism and transgender stuff here if you consider this demographics.
laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
The more transgender related posts are mostly because 196 a very large queer and especially trans friendly subreddit closed permanently and migrated wholesale to a instance called blahajzone. If you look at r/place right now you can tell the absence of 196 by the fact there are very few queer symbols on r/place compared to last year where 196 and associated subs had coordinated artworks and defense campaigns for their flags. I’m pretty sure last time they managed to take over the American flag and force it to move to another spot on the canvas. Now there are two small flags and nothing else.
Wilker@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
i can vouch for that as someone who participated this year. even maintaining a bunch of barcode flags on the canvas near the painting frame was difficult because of how little people we had.
sleepmode@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because the people that flock to these platforms first are usually technically adept nerds and free thinkers.
mojo@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Trans are bullied and socially ostrichized irl, so they tend to be terminally online. A lot of trans are also coders. They manage to find themselves in to pretty much every obscure techy social space online, they don’t got anything else going on irl.
fiat_lux@kbin.social 1 year ago
ostrichized
I just want to take a moment off topic to say how much I love this new word (malaprop?).
The word you were hoping for is 'ostracized', but ostrichized is a fun enough mental image that it should be its own word too.
magnetosphere@kbin.social 1 year ago
Now I’m imagining a mad scientist with a ray gun that “ostrichizes” people who annoy them.
Screwed up coffee order? ZAP! The barista gets turned into an ostrich. Annoying, pushy person at the door handing out pamphlets? ZAP! Try saving souls as an ostrich. Have a cart overflowing with groceries in the “Ten Items of Less” line? ZAP! Ostrich.
Noranydroptodrink@infosec.pub 1 year ago
My assumption is that the bots, shills, astroturfers and other corporate interests haven’t arrived in sufficient quantities yet.
It’s not that there’s more here, just the volume of noise out there is far greater and most of the content generated is for parties who gain no advantage from posing as part of either of those communities.
MasterObee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Young people haven’t experienced life yet and think communist is something good, despite 100 years of absolute failures and hundreds of millions of people starving, getting killed for things such as wearing glasses, and sent to work to death in prisons for having a different opinion.
Young people also over represent themselves on the transgender scale and don’t realize they aren’t actually special compared to the 7 billion people in the world, but like to feel special in their high school of 1,000 people.
Young people comprise the vast majority of people on the fediverse.
Young people will get a rude awakening once they find out they have to work for a living, provide to those they love and, once again, that their ‘identity’ doesn’t matter to anyone else.
Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Lmao. Here’s the bootlicker to vehemently defend the shit ass system stepping on his neck, whilst shitting on “young” ppl because that’s the only thing left for him to feel better about his sad life.
Btw, I’m 37 and I still haven’t become a lifeless drone who bitches about young ppl.
And before your next predictable retort; I’m successfully self employed and I work harder than you - I guarantee it.
Doesn’t mean I can’t advocate for a better life for the next generation because I had to work hard. Doesn’t make me a special snowflake or better than anyone else.
MasterObee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
bootlicker
Boot licker because…I think communism is bad?
Or because I think the youth obsessed with social media and gender identity will have a rude awakening when they actually have to get jobs?
Btw, I’m 37 and I still haven’t become a lifeless drone who bitches about young ppl.
Btw I’m 29 and I still haven’t become a lifeless drone who bitches about young ppl. I bitch about idiots who think communism is good and gender identity is the most important thing in the world.
And before your next predictable retort; I’m successfully self employed and I work harder than you - I guarantee it.
And I don’t care. I’m glad you’re successful. I feel sorry for you that you work harder than I do.
I’m decently successful, working for a small company, and I work maybe 3-4 hours a day. I don’t want to work, I want to live life. I’m living a great and happy life every day, that’s what I strive for, I don’t strive to work as hard as I can.
Doesn’t mean I can’t advocate for a better life for the next generation because I had to work hard
Are you talking about communism?
If you are self employed, it’s because of anti-communism policies, and you have capitalism to thank.
You’re welcome - from Capitalism.
jerrimu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m 49 and still socialist. Working for a living is the core of communism. Workers are more populous and generate all the value, we would like a larger share of the value we create.
MasterObee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Working for a living is the core of communism.
totalitarianism is the core of communism.
Workers are more populous and generate all the value
Then negotiate, if you do create the value, then you can sell your services for more.
we would like a larger share of the value we create.
See above.
snailwizard@kbin.social 1 year ago
Some people have experiences which have left them embittered towards a younger, more hopeful generation. Despite 100's of years of exploitation, absolute failure, and hundreds of millions of people starving to death, getting killed for things such as not wanting to work weekends, and sent to work to death for having the absolute cajones to do what they need to do to provide for their loved ones, they STILL insist that capitalism is the only way forward because it's the only thing they've ever known.
The average human may not stand out amid 8 billion other people, but each and every person is unique and therefore special in their own way.
Everyone wants to work, to do something, but no one wants to have a job because your worth as a human shouldn't be tied to how much money you can earn for someone else. (And, inb4 "art is not a job", that is so fucking disingenuous; if you think that art isn't essential, then STOP listening to music, STOP watching television and movies, STOP reading books and newspapers, and then get back to me.) People naturally provide for those they care for and, news flash, people care about other people and their identities.
I know you're probably just trolling because you hate your life under capitalism and need to feel like you're a part of something, but like join the club bro.
NiftyBeaks@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Do you think the people who built these platforms are teens? I’m a 27 yo engineer and Marxist through and through. Just because workers unions of the past were overturned by tyrants and capitalists alike, doesn’t mean the basic ideas weren’t sound. The system in which I am forced to participate in is fundamentally flawed.
MasterObee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Do you think the people who built these platforms are teens?
I don’t know who created this platform, but I doubt they’re teens. The vast majority of users are young.
Marxist through and through.
Please educate yourself then. Marxism has only resulted in death and destruction. It has put countries back hundreds of years and have killed hundreds of millions of people.
Just because workers unions of the past were overturned by tyrants and capitalists alike
I’m pro union, and capitalist. Capitalism isn’t anti-union. Once again, please educate yourself. Advocating for marxism is 100x worse than advocating for nazism.
The system in which I am forced to participate in is fundamentally flawed.
Please move to a communist country and see what you’re forced to do.
The only reason you’re an engineer is because you were allowed that choice. Under communism you would likely have been killed simply for being college educated.
sorebuttfromsitting@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
lol young people
you’ll be first to get scraped up with a snow shovel
BakedGoods@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I blocked the blahaj (nothing against trans people. “Communities” based on sex/gender-stuff is just cringe) and lemmygrad (plus other tankie) instances. Now I barely see any of it.
Kajeed@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m not entirely sure that is the case, but I’d believe that if one forms part of a group that has non-conformity to a general standard as part of the expected traits to belong, that same behavior will apply to other aspects of the life of the person.
ShittyKopper@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
alongside the whole tech stuff one major thing is that when you report hate speech in the fediverse it (usually) goes to moderators and admins who give a shit about their community rather than some automated system which may or may not do anything, resulting in a community that’s more hostile towards people spouting hate speech which indirectly makes people affected by that speech feel more comfortable to speak up.
of course particularly the microblog/Mastodon-y side of the fediverse still has some issues to solve regarding racism (i am not the best person to go into detail on that one though), but transphobia in particular tends to be taken out pretty quickly, according to my own observations anyway.
alokir@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The way I understand from what I’ve seen and read is that these are mostly people who were banned, shunned or chased away from other platforms. While Reddit can ban you, you can just spin up an instance of Lemmy, Mastodon or whatever yourself and play by your own rules.
Interestingly, on Reddit there were tons of trans related posts and comments, but what I see here (and other fedi platforms) is trans people posting whatever interests them, and not about being trans. It’s like they can just be themselves without people constantly talking about or questioning their identity.
cerement@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
a trans Bechdel test?
irkli@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“communist”. Define please, or I’ll assume you’re in high school.
CCP? Soviet state? RCP? Are they still around ? Gimme a break.
fiat_lux@kbin.social 1 year ago
People congregate where they feel safe. Sometimes that looks like the nerdy introverted kid living life on the internet when their immediate community doesn't understand them, and the roles they're expected to play don't work for them. Turns out a lot of nerdy introverted kids who felt misunderstood by their families were trans, which isn't too surprising.
What's interesting to me is that most trans-people in tech are AMAB, and I think that reflects computers being seen as an ok "masculine" hobby (in lieu of sports or cars, etc.) . I often wonder where all the AFAB trans end up instead, I know they're somewhere!
marmo7ade@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Talking openly about your opposite-gender spouse, kissing or holding hands with your partner, going out for a nice date - whatever. These are all totally normal things which people won’t blink at when a heterosexual couple is doing it, yet LGBT people can still be discriminated against for these behaviours.
Intentionally making a post on social media to advertise what you do in the bedroom is not the same as people holding hands IRL. This is a false equivalence. And this it is something I have an issue with.
I fully support everyone’s right to fuck whoever you want. I also don’t want to know about it.
Ibaudia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The way Lemmy is structured is basically communist reddit. Most people who use it are aware of this, and enjoy it for that reason.
TheKarion@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because they can’t keep to themselves
norske@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
I think the answer has something to do with Programming Socks
kbity@kbin.social 1 year ago
The Fediverse is home to a lot of young, tech-minded people distrustful of major corporations. The younger generations are more likely to come out as transgender due to greater awareness and acceptance of gender identity and dysphoria, and a decentralised, open platform is naturally going to appeal to communists, syndicalists and other left-wingers who don't want some billionaire buying the next website they get comfortable on. And funnily enough, there are a surprising number of trans people in the tech sector, to the point where trans-flag socks have become a meme among programmers.
nodsocket@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This seems like the most straightforward answer. But it doesn’t explain why people on the right haven’t come to the fediverse in proportional numbers. I know a lot of right leaning Libertarian communities, and for some reason they like cryptocurrency and FOSS but not the fediverse.
xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
There are right-wing instances of Mastodon (gab, truth, and others), not to mention many Pleroma ones, as well as Lemmy (exploding heads, and probably others). It’s just that they get quickly defederated by everyone else for various valid reasons (usually hate and abuse, sometimes even child porn), so you don’t get to interact with them much. They just get stuck in their own bubble.
Rez9x@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I am here and a big supporter of OSS, but many would call me right wing. I support living your life how you want privately and acknowledging different identities and sexualities, because if you aren’t flaunting it, how would I even know? But I also feel that sex, intimacy, etc should be private and should not be something discussed or displayed so openly, regardless of orientation, so many would label me as conservative.
moitoi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
People on the right don’t see the issue with neoliberalism. They are mostly fine with all the ads based system and corporate making billions out of the datas. Neoliberalism tend towards fascism with time. They will prefer fascism to redistribute profits to the workers.
The fediverse is a different point of view. You can defederate if it goes wrong with an instance what makes the profits by ad revenue impossible or too small. The big corps don’t have a huge interest in these platform without profits. People on the right will follow these corps and the platforms affiliated.
On the left, people will federate. I recommend to have a good read about the fondation of the unions in the 19th century. People of the diversity will historically be on the left rather than on the right. Again, for the profits, the neoliberals will prefer to oppress you as a minority for the profits than to have social and societal consideration for you.
You ends with the people of the left coming to the fediverse and the right on corps social media.
kbity@kbin.social 1 year ago
They already have alt-tech, which had kind of a headstart on the Fediverse.
eldavi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
i think that’s why the fediverse is doomed to perpetual obscurity. my reddit-refugee addictions have taught me that only reddit has the content that i like and that i need to learn how to appreciate stuff i don’t like to get my fix; i wonder how people get started on furry stuff. lol