Submitted 8 hours ago by DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
Politicians make the laws, if people are being oppressed, its more of the politicians being the root cause of evil.
So… ACAB + APAB?
You see politicians disagreeing with each others, protesting, calling out bad politics etc. You almost never see policemen refusing their orders or stopping violent colleagues. If they do, they get fired, so saying ACAB doesn’t include them
It is a sentiment that separates politics from the people.
I believe/hope it is not a popular term because enough people believe it’s bad for democracy.
Depoliticaztion of the populace is what allows governments like Russia’s to happen.
Most local politicians I know don’t get paid (school board, commissioners, etc) or they get paid very little for the time they put in.
If you count up all the expected folks in the USA, less than 1% are what you think of as “politicians.” They are mostly just people you see at the grocery store
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/…/politician
noun. [UK] - a member of a government or law-making organization
noun. [US] - a person who is active in politics, esp. as a job
School board and HOAs doesn’t really count, otherwise a militia patrolling their neighborhood would also count as a “cop”.
School boards are an elected, political position.
Militias are an illegal organization.
There’s a gulf of difference between the two.
There are also plenty of elected politicians that aren’t awful people. Especially at the state legislative level.
It this a weird jole#
Name for this kind of slogan is a “Thought-terminating clishé”
A thought-terminating cliché (also known as a semantic stop-sign, a thought-stopper, bumper sticker logic, or cliché thinking) is a form of loaded language—often passing as folk wisdom—intended to end an argument and quell cognitive dissonance with a cliché rather than a point.
APAP: All Politicians Are Pussies.
Maybe try again without the misogyny.
APAP: All Politicians Are Preposterous?
They are elected. That means that the real B in there would be a majority or plurality of citizens in the riding/town.
Policians choose the qualifications to be a cop (via passing laws). So if the cops are terrible, perhaps that’s the politician’s fault.
If cops followed the rules and laws to the letter, then you might have something here, but they aren’t “law enforcement” as much as they are “bad guy removal”.
They decide who’s a bad guy, and eliminate them. When little Johnny football star and his friends get caught smoking a little weed, they get a warning to straighten up and sent on their way because they aren’t bad guys. But a “gang” of poor kids toking up are on a dangerous path and need severe intervention to keep them from becoming bad guys.
They decide who needs to be executed without due process, or proof of guilt. They decide that the off duty officer who can’t form a coherent sentence should drive home. They decide which high profile members of the community get a “heads up call” before the search warrant arrives.
The people who make the laws can’t be blamed because all of the shittiest things that make cops bastards, aren’t part of the laws at all.
I think about it quite similar to you. I’d even go a bit further: shortsighted and bad laws are the biggest source of problems.
Often the kind of law that a populist gains popularity/notoriety through.
Politicians without cops become blowhards real quick.
Cops aren’t the root cause of evil, they’re just actively standing in the way of making progress (in theory).
The root cause of evil might actually be in most of us not cooperating when that’s needed.
The law is just an expression, more or less up-to-date, of the existing balance of power between those who have power and those who don't
Not quite true, I reckon. Plenty of examples where both public and executive and legislative would’ve deemed certain behaviour problematic, yet the perpetrator, of marginal power, walks free.
I’d say the law also gives power to the marginalized, when the judicial behaves independently, as they should.
I agree with you there are perversions to this ideal, such as elected judges, plea bargains.
Disagree in general that it can empower the marginalized -- it is at most a reflection of the power that the marginalized can sometimes use, either because they did things like strike or organize in the past, or because they have access to powers won by less marginalized people.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
No, for the simple reason that some (yes, definitely not enough) politicians are trying to actually do good things. Cops are bad because they’re enforcers of any and all laws, and nobody has purely good laws/etc.
The only case where all politicians are bad is in pure, actual communism, which cannot exist at this point in history.