In Germany a prison break in itself is not punishable, because the human urge to be free cannot be punished. But Evers crime you commit during the break you will be punished if you geht caught. And you will have to sit through the rest of your time afterwards
Is it a prison break if the prisoners have been unjustly detained? Who decides when it is a hostage rescuse situation?
Submitted 1 day ago by supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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ceiphas@feddit.org 1 day ago
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 16 hours ago
Well, that would make sense that Germany would need laws like this because otherwise Germans would never learn how to take a joke otherwise.
Too bad I live in the US where prisons are not punishment but training to live the rest of your life in the underclass : )
remon@ani.social 1 day ago
Who decides when it is a hostage rescuse situation?
The person you ask.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 16 hours ago
Wait what if I ask me then
urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
I decide
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
if its a prison the people are breaking out of, its a prison break
This is a very complex and intricate topic and it really isn’t simple at all and it takes large amounts of mental effort to comprehend its mechanics.
StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
If you want a detailed response to this, reading Michel Foucault would probably be better than anything I could really say. He is a bit of a weirdo (putting it likely) like plenty of philosophers though.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I would but the people in the panopticon tower might be watching right now.
flandish@lemmy.world 1 day ago
“Might makes right.”
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 23 hours ago
but I make left
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 1 day ago
By legal standards, it’s my understanding that any unlawful release from custody is a “jail break” regardless of the conditions of incarceration. Unjust detainment is a kind of legal threshold intended to assign a determination of legality to any scenario where anyone is taken into custody by state officials or law enforcement, not someone’s opinion of whether or not it’s fair.
autonomoususer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The law does not decide itself.
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Sure it, doesn’t, neither does the weather but it still tends to function based reliably predictable criteria. I’m describing the baseline definition because OP asked about whether or not it counts. Judges decide, and generally err based on constituent parts of the scenario qualify for established legal definitions.
TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 day ago
the term won’t be “prison break” but will depend on the jurisdiction that holds the person. if you are being detained by the state police, you’ll get something like “fleeing and eluding” but it depends on your local laws. if you’re in US federal custody then it depends on what they charge you with and how they detain you.
Fleeing would be a separate charge itself. the eighth amendment could get it thrown out but you’d still be able to be charged with it and would at least need to stand trial to be charged within X amount of time.
if, however, you’re illegally detained and the constitution is clearly being violated, then the perpetrators will need to be held accountable. don’t worry about it. you can just wait for congress to save you. they’ll be here any minute now. aaaany minute now.
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 1 day ago
The short answer is a court of law.
The long answer includes a reference to the location because a few countries do not list “escape from prison” as a crime in itself recognizing the human yearning to be free. So only incidental stuff would be interesting in a subsequent legal case, i.e. damage of property, threatening people with violence, etc. If you can manage to slip out in a laundry basket, you are okay. Andy Duphresne would be liable for the wall and sewage pipe he broke. (And committing fraud, of course.)
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
The difference between a hostage and a prisoner is why you are detaining them. If you are detaining them for some crime or to prevent them from doing some crime or harm to “society”(the powerful) then they are a prisoner. If you are detaining them to try and trade or gain concessions from another party then they are a hostage.
The difference between lawful and illegal escape attempts isn’t between hostages and prisoners, false imprisonment is a crime and if you escape or help someone escape that’s legal. Taking hostages can also be legal, Putin will often make some trumped up charge for an American so he can use them as a pawn in a prisoner exchange, nominally the intent is to lock them up for committing a crime, but in reality they are hostages in putins game. The difference is whether the state is detaining the person or a non state actor.
autonomoususer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The powerful
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Who decides who the powerful are :P ?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 1 day ago
Can’t believe I’m quoting fucking Mao, but: “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”
Fletcher@lemmy.today 1 day ago
The rich.
Zip2@feddit.uk 1 day ago
It’s always the side with the most guns. Or swords. Or spears with stones on the end.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
The answer may surprise you.
autonomoususer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Big gun
HikingVet@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Take a look around.