How many did they lose? They lost one from me
Netflix Gains Six Million Subscribers After Password Sharing Crackdown
Submitted 1 year ago by fer0n@lemm.ee to moviesandtv@lemmy.film
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jukes@lemmy.secondpartysoftware.com 1 year ago
eevee@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Doesn’t really matter because there were more new subscribers than canceled
Alto@kbin.social 1 year ago
Depends on how many of those people stay on. Most the people I know who signed up because they got locked out are finishing the series that they're currently watching and cancelling. Couple of them already finished up.
Nurgle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That 6M is net.
ultimate_question@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Actually I just did the math, factoring in OP’s comment it was only 5,999,999 net
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It was a net gain. Went from 232 millions subscribers to 238.
PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I mean, *maybe. *
First, they’re not seeing the effects of their policy yet. Its too soon after launch. I know I haven’t received a notification yet, and if they lock it down, netflix is getting cut. I might rotate them in and out, but like in the case of twitter and reddit, I will walk away. There’s more content out there than anyone can watch in several lifetimes already. If I resubscribe one month per year to catch up on the baking show, so be it.
Second, they’re doing the typical thing where they’re quoting a KPI without context. Once things have settled down (which, again, they haven’t yet) we can see whether their month over month and year over year subscriber count, hours watched, and revenue has increased over what it would have been otherwise. That’s a key part. If, six months from now, they’re showing sustained and above average growth in major markets, then they did make the right call (for them - I’d still be out as a customer). If not, then whoever came up with this scheme should be questioning their decision-making.
In science, cherry picking measurements to support your narrative is called p-hacking. It’s frowned upon. In business ot can get you promoted, unless you happen to work with someone who knows that trick and who is willing to out you doing it.
lntl@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
How many new subscribers would they have had in the same time period anyway?
Article says Netflix believes 100 million (half of all subscribers) houses were sharing passwords. Six million would be like 3% growth …which is how much more then they would have if they didn’t do this? 1.5% maybe?
It doesn’t really seem significant
RootBeerGuy@ttrpg.network 1 year ago
Significance probably does not matter to them. Number goes up = good job.
001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
That’s not jolly. That’s not jolly at all.
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Jojo-Mcfrost572@kbin.social 1 year ago
Please no. Don't go there. Nooooo
Chariotwheel@kbin.social 1 year ago
Yeah, people pirating makes me pair plex.
These foul villains can nibl on the jellyfins under the sea for all I care.
knjhu378HNJ@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
Oh I dunno, I spend too much on HDDs 😅
001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
But do you have enough to download car? 😉
BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 1 year ago
I only used Netflix from time to time and i would just buy one of these scratcher cards that lasts me a month or two and then i forget about it for a year.
I did this in march or so and saw yesterday that my netflix is still working. I was a bit confused until i saw that they just charge my phone bill to keep netflix running.
My sister said something similar happened to her, where she shared the password but stopped paying but the personwith whom she shared with said something like: they asked me a billing question and they just clicked on "yes" and it appeared on her phone bill too.bowreality@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
They have restarted a lot of cancelled subscriptions I hear. Even people just opening the app re-starts it. That’s one way to get 6 million new subscribers and a fancy headline in the news.
kemsat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I mean… it’s not really surprising. I know the internet was all angry about it, but I’m sure most people just went “well, it was it was nice while it lasted” and subscribed to a service they already like & used but could get away with using without paying.
2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It still too soon to tell honestly. The major bump of this policy is a one time surge of all the built up password-sharers but it’s likely not going to be huge swing to their growth long term.
And then these new subscribers, are they going to stick around? A common scenario might be someone cutoff midway through a series just subscribing for a couple months to finish them off.
And for the same reason I would expect new subs from the policy would happen quickly while unsubs might be delayed. The main account holders would likely finish off their series and take time deciding on their new streaming service before outright cancelling.
And all of this just ruffles feathers and makes the service a bit less valuable right when real competition is heating up.
kemsat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There was also a post two down from this one explaining that Netflix’s quarterly earnings are down, and the increase in subscribers mostly comes from markets where they did not implement the password sharing crackdown. So, I might be wrong, but I still think most people that lurk or aren’t invested in social media would’ve just gotten their own subscription after the crackdown went into effect.
Stinkywizzleteets@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How many did they lose though
dishpanman@lemmy.ca [bot] 1 year ago
Set up an openvpn server at a “home” with bandwith, and have family/friends route their Roku/streaming device route through a router with openvpn client back to the same “home” .
Laticauda@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nah I’ll just pirate shit instead.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Jellyfin ftw
NightOwl@lemmy.one 1 year ago
I expected that would be the move a lot of people would go but Netflix actually saw a net gain with what was thought to be an unpopular move. This is actually a really fascinating potential case study on piracy where you’d think it would lead to lost customers, but despite driving some away it actually increased.
jukes@lemmy.secondpartysoftware.com 1 year ago
You want to walk my dad through that?
dishpanman@lemmy.ca [bot] 1 year ago
Ha! Yeah I had to set this up for my parents. My Dad couldn’t believe that I knew my IP address from memory!
user1919@lemmy.world 1 year ago
laughs in third world country piracy
Halvo317@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They lost subs in areas with the password crackdown and picked up subs in lower cost areas. They earned less.
fer0n@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Not what the article states:
According to Netflix, revenue is up in every region where paid sharing was introduced, and sign-ups have exceeded cancelations. The company saw revenue growth of 2.7 percent year over year.
Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Here’s a lemmy post with a link to an msn article, that states that Netflix lost money.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No, they did not. They continued to grow. They’re a publicly traded company and all of the details were just reported out.
1chemistdown@kbin.social 1 year ago
Just finished reading Reuters and AP, and they both agree that Netflix added 6 million in areas of cheap subscription and no crackdowns vs losses in USA and UK.
RocksForBrains@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Not me lol
cassetti@kbin.social 1 year ago
After fifteen years, I cancelled my Netflix last year. Don't miss it at all.
I think all these streaming platforms forget that not all of us need to watch their content 24/7. I spend less than an hour watching television a day while eating food and that's it.
Did you know that you can still enjoy Youtube ad-free (or the occasional 10-second skippable ad). How do you do it? By not watching youtube at all aside from the random how-to video. Since I watch less than an hour of youtube a month on average, I see essentially zero ads.
BrandoCalrissian9229@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I wish to break my youtube addiction. Every night I end up going down rabbit holes with a “just one more” attitude that would make a gambling addict blush.
The way I got around ads was adblockers and the like. Or using the new piped website. But honestly, I wish that I had the will that you have to just drop it and never use it again.
DrQuint@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Uh. Didn’t predict this.
Yet another example of corporations running the world and nothing to be done about it on an individual level.
May the world burn.
lntl@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Turn that fuckin AC off
elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s 10 degrees outside, ffs!
user1919@lemmy.world 1 year ago
37°C here, AC STAYS ON
BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 1 year ago
Yet another example of corporations running the world and nothing to be done about it on an individual level.
I mean, there are plenty of things to criticize Netflix for (SAG-AFTRA say hello), but not allowing people who aren't paying for their service to use it for free really isn't a particularly heinous crime in my eyes. It's annoying, because having to pay for things is annoying, but it's not like it's actively immoral
Kichae@kbin.social 1 year ago
They're not using it for free, though. If I have a Netflix account with multiple profiles, I'm paying for that. I don't see why I don't get to determine who get to use those profiles.
Particularly after Netflix's own marketing department pushed out that "Love is sharing a password" tweet.
If they wanted to bump the price of multi-profile accounts, fine, but this accusing your customers of wrongdoing for doing something you yourself promoted is bullshit.
WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Have you ever heard the stories of the Dutch and British East India Companies? They’re not stories the capitalists will tell you
somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Guessing the gains are in places the policy isn’t in effect. I’d be surprised if they grew in the US.
DrQuint@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The article says this growth is happening on places where the restrictions were made. So I would say it is up in the US.
lurkandtwerk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m sure it has been a profitable move in the short term, but I think password sharing was what enabled Netflix shows to have a more significant cultural impact than shows on other streaming services—despite the relatively poor quality of Netflix’s programming.
blubberman@kbin.social 1 year ago
I think it remains to be seen if that is sustainable groth or if it is a short term effect and piracy will pick back up as people ditch netflix and the other streaming services as they become more inconvenient.
fer0n@lemm.ee 1 year ago
More expensive isn’t really less convenient in that sense, it’s just as easy as before to watch Netflix. You just have to pay more (or watch ads).
That’s the reason why Netflix and Spotify won over piracy. Convenience, not price.
NightOwl@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Yeah, this outcome seems to really hammer in the point of what Gabe said about piracy
One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue.
Lot of people value accessibility and convenience over free. Probably why you see even games that didn’t have the best launch reputation like Cyberpunk 2077 that are DRM free outdoing revenue of games that have denuvo as opposed to denuvo leading abnormally record high sales figures despite Cp2077 being immediately available to pirate.
Just a really surprising outcome with this Netflix growth despite the public outrage, and much easier access to Netflix media than games. But, also really hammers how much the average person wants something that just works when they want it to without additional hurdles and research to go through.
penix@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Six million sounds a little high.
Soundhole@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I didn’t see that coming, I’ll admit.
Guess those greedy bastards know what they’re doing.
Art3sian@lemmy.world 1 year ago
People don’t give big business enough credit in this space. Things like this are market tested and simulated long before they are rolled out.
Purplexingg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well, things work until they don’t. Predictions can only get you so far. See: new coke, qwikster, onlyfans trying to ban porn. But yeah I’m sure they did a cost benefit and decided it was worth
HeavenAndHell@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah like how Blockbuster tested their plan to remain a brick and mortar store? Or Boeing testing their new jet design before they had two airliners crashing? Or Capcom designing SFV to be more like a PaaS and ultimately failing enough to let go one of their most veteran producers?
I think plenty of large big businesses make very stupid decisions all the time and the netflix account sharing thing honestly could’ve gone either way. Also, there’s no guarantee this is going to save netflix. They still have terrible habits of putting out garbage and canceling good shows that have plentiful viewership.
Netflix for the longest time has been trying to make lightning strike twice by treating every new Netflix original like it’s supposed to be the next Stranger Things. That’s a stupid thing to do. Of course I don’t give big businesses enough credit, they haven’t earned that reputation.
EyesEyesBaby@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Net subscribers may have increased, but I suspect many of them have chosen a cheaper option. Since my family can no longer use my account there’s no need to have 3 simultaneous streams. I chose for a cheaper subscription and expect many to do the same.
pragma@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Wasn’t there a news article floating around yesterday claiming that Netflix was about to ditch their cheapest ad-free option?
moobythegoldensock@geddit.social 1 year ago
I suspect you are right, because Netflix is axing its lowest ad-free tier and those on it will either need to pay the higher ad-free or switch to ads.
Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Damn those greedy bastards wanting users to pay for their service
ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was paying for it, for four screens and multiple users, as permitted on their site.
Platomus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The users were playing for the service tho.
They then created artificial barriers to charge more for the service.
They’ve been doing it consistently.
FoxBJK@midwest.social 1 year ago
They’re the ones who said it was OK to share your password. So yeah they deserve to get flak for this.
Love is sharing a password… until it affects YOY growth.