I wonder what else it can get wrong for only the cost of a few glaciers.
Microsoft has created an AI-generated version of Quake
Submitted 1 day ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/news/644117/microsoft-quake-ii-ai-generated-tech-demo-muse-ai-model-copilot
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mPony@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
Can I steal this quote and pretend I came up with it?
elvith@feddit.org 21 hours ago
“We’ve talked about game preservation as an activity for us, and these models and their ability to learn completely how a game plays without the necessity of the original engine running on the original hardware opens up a ton of opportunity.”
No, I don’t think that you’re talking about preservation then. Not even game emulation. You’re talking about game hallucination.
keegomatic@lemmy.world 23 minutes ago
I’m pretty sure they’re just referring to using the techniques to replicate things after learning, not hallucinating the whole game as if it would be a 1:1 copy.
Thorry84@feddit.nl 18 hours ago
Yeah it’s the difference between playing an old game today and remembering what it was like to play in the past. Not the same thing at all.
Plus a big part of old games these days is decompiling it, so you can recompile to run with higher framerates, higher resolution and without emulation. It’s also possible to add nice QoL features and entire new game modes.
Just look at what Ship of Harkinian has done with OOT. It looks great, it feels like OOT still, but has the nice quick buttons. And if you want to experience the game like it’s brand new, there is the randomizer. And similar projects exist for other old games.
And there’s also people going through the code, figuring out glitches. And how certain mechanics worked, nobody understood very well back in the day. Discover Easter eggs that were never found.
That’s game preseveration, not some AI fever dream if you squint a bit it kinda sorta looks like the old game.
A lot of the AI stuff I’ve seen from Microsoft also sucks hard and they know it. But they operate under the assumption these LLM systems will get better and better. Like this game thing they admit it sucks now, but imagine what it could be one day. However the reality seems to show more and more the point of rapidly diminishing returns has been reached. Throwing more data and processing at the thing isn’t going to make it a lot better.
They are also so busy inventing new AI features nobody wants. Putting new flashy buttons everywhere and doing awful tech demos. They completely forgot to make actual useful features. For example a thing that happens a lot when working with less computer capable people, is people sending screenshots of Excel data. How awesome would it be if instead of helping write a new signature, the AI would go: “Wow what an asshole, sending a screenshot like that. Here is the original data so you can copy paste.”. Or when trying to send an email without the attachment that really should have an attachment, it warns you. It already does this, but I think it just triggers on certain keywords like attach. This would be an excellent use case for an LLM, where it doesn’t even matter much if it’s wrong some of the time.
For me personally “AI” in the form of LLM can fuck all the way off. It certainly has it’s uses, but this all in use it everywhere for everything has made me hate it. And the misleading marketing making people think it’s basically AGI is wrong on so many levels.
halfapage@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
LLMs have been hijacked by fucking snake oil salesmen. This is so tremendously tragic.
The good thing is that they will give up eventually if the demand won’t settle at high enough level because of the upkeep costs.
The bad thing is that forcing the demand seemingly began taking root. It’s anecdotal, but I’ve met several non tech people who prefer LLM generated babble over looking for answers on sites/manuals/docs by themselves. It’s scary, but I hope that soon hallucinations will be too common to rely on LLMs even with unimportant questions.
barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 13 hours ago
I’m a real dummy about modern video games. I was an OG gamer from the 80s, who spent the equivalent of a down payment on a house in quarters, playing Centipede at mall arcades. Later, I got into the early PC shoot-em up games like Quake, Quake 2, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, etc.
But I never got a game console, because I had recognized that I could have a serious problem with video game addiction. Eventually, I stopped playing altogether, especially after I started a business, and had to carve out time in my schedule, and video games and sports had to go. I didnt follow either for about 25 years.
Now I’m semi-retired, and would love to play those old games again, but I don’t really know how to do it on a modern PC. I actually have all my old CD-ROMs, but my computer hasn’t had a CD-ROM drive for years, and Im not going to buy a console.
Is there a way to download Quake and Quake 2, and my other favorites? Where do I go for that?
I know, I’m a gaming idiot, I just spent the last few decades focusing on other stuff.
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 1 day ago
But if it’s AI generated, who are they going to lay off after they repeats it?
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Ted and Cheryl in accounting. I’m calling it now.
AllYourSmurf@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Surely not Ted! That mighty hero dines at the Allfather’s banquet, surrounded by the mightiest heros of all the ages!
LettucePrey@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Lmao
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
No.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
“You could imagine a world where…”
Sure, I can imagine a lot of things, and a lot of them will never materialize.
catloaf@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Nobody wants this
Sektor@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Maybe some want this, but nobody needs this.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Wait until Preston shows up with his AI generated radiant quests before you judge.
vane@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I love how corporations anounce, we stole something and call it AI.
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
In this case, Microsoft does own the IP (it bought Bethesda after Bethesda bought id), so they definitely didn’t legally steal it.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
They just reproduced it in the most uninteresting way possible.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 13 hours ago
Every time I see this I think about opportunity costs. What got skipped in favor of this dubious effort?
Quazatron@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Copy+paste is still a pain in the ass in Microsoft Teams. Why don’t you work on that instead?
superkret@feddit.org 6 hours ago
No, fix the search first!
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 6 hours ago
“We heard you, and added more AI to it!”
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
I can’t make a correct numbered list in Teams to save my life. I have to do it on word and then…copy paste
sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 20 hours ago
Hit detection doesn’t work, going into pure darkness makes the AI hallucinate to the point it distorts the map layout, npcs will teleport around ot just disappear… runs at like 640p at maybe 20 fps, textures are a blurred indistinct mess…
Oh and it requires basically a super computer to run this.
Brilliant.
zecg@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Preservation!
sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
How to actually do games preservation:
Reform IP laws.
Mandate open sourcing of hardware and software architectures after some period of time. 10 years? 5 years after no more of that hardware/software is sold? Yes texhnicalities are insanely complicated but you get the idea.
Oh, how about government funding for emulator development? We fund libraries that preserve books, and movies, and other stuff.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 hours ago
i hope every tech company burns
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 hours ago
We have Quake at home
LettucePrey@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Fucking stupid, this timeline sucks
megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
But, we already have quake.
thedruid@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Don’t want a friggin thing to do with it then.
tal@lemmy.today 1 day ago
The tech demo is part of Microsoft’s Copilot for Gaming push, and features an AI-generated replica of Quake II that is playable in a browser. The Quake II level is very basic and includes blurry enemies and interactions, and Microsoft is limiting the amount of time you can even play this tech demo.
Microsoft is still positioning Muse as an AI model that can help game developers prototype games. When Muse was unveiled in February, Microsoft also mentioned it was exploring how this AI model could help improve classic games, just like Quake II, and bring them to modern hardware.
Okay, here’s a much-less ambitious use of existing AI technology that I think would be vastly-more-useful than whatever they’re off doing: how about just going out and using existing AI upscaling techniques and limited human interaction to statically-upscale the textures by maybe 2x to 4x, take advantage of more VRAM on newer hardware?
Bellingdog@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
store.steampowered.com/app/…/Lossless_Scaling/
That’s kind of what this is for.
tal@lemmy.today 20 hours ago
That’s frame scaling in real-time, rather than offline texture scaling.
j4k3@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
There is a lot of potential for generating on the fly skins and specs. Everyone seems to want to do stupid flashy junk, but a well configured agentic setup could easily get constrained in ways that alter geometry and interactions more dynamically than the broad scope nonsense I keep seeing.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I mean the demo capability isnt bad, could test out 100 ideas before you commit. But thats not what this is going to be used for. Its going to be a weapon against developers eventually.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Thank god, I’ve been waiting for this my whole life /s
hark@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I tried playing it but it’s so incoherent (walls becoming paths, dead enemies randomly coming back to life, health pickups that do nothing, etc) that I’m not even sure this counts as a game. Typically a game has rules so that you can set how you play according to those rules. This is just poorly-generated trash, which I guess fits in with the rest of the hot garbage AI we’ve currently got.