Yes, I know, trolls etc. But such action turns any conversation into a bad joke. And anybody who trusts a moderator is a fool.
Find a better way.
What’s the better way?
It is deeply bad that a moderator can remove any post or reply.
Submitted 3 weeks ago by rainrain@sh.itjust.works to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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cattywampas@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
The better way is one where control resides solely with the user.
superkret@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
The instance admin is legally responsible for everything posted on their instance.
Giving all the control to the users would literally carry the risk of going to prison.hedgehog@ttrpg.network 3 weeks ago
As a user, you can:
- Review instance and community rules prior to participating
- Review the moderator logs to confirm that moderation activities have been in line with the rules
- If you notice a discrepancy, e.g., over-moderation, you can hold the mods accountable and draw attention to it or simply choose not to engage in that instance or community
- Host your own instance
- Create communities in an existing instance or your own instance
If you host your own instance and communities within that instance, then at that point, you have full control, right? Other instances can de-federate from yours.
db2@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s embarrassingly ignorant.
anakin78z@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This isn’t a shower thought. Mods, please remove.
vatlark@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m a mod here. While it’s not one of my favorites, it does follow the format pretty well. I try to use Rule 1 sparingly.
It’s a bad look to shutdown critics. I think the votes and comments are doing a good job of bringing perspective to OP’s opinion.
anakin78z@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Thanks for your reply. My post was meant as kind of a joke, but it’s good to know the mods actually read through things.
hedgehog@ttrpg.network 3 weeks ago
Yes, I know, trolls etc. But such action turns any conversation into a bad joke. And anybody who trusts a moderator is a fool.
Not just trolls - there’s much worse content out there, some of which can get you sent to jail in most (all?) jurisdictions.
And even ignoring that, many users like their communities to remain focused on a given topic. Moderation allows this to happen without requiring a vetting process prior to posting. Maybe you don’t want that, but most users do.
Find a better way.
Here’s an option: you can code a fork or client that automatically parses the modlog, finds comments and posts that have been removed, and makes them visible in your feed. You could even implement the ability to reply by hosting replies on a different instance or community.
For you and anyone who uses your fork, it’ll be as though they were never removed.
Do you have issues with the above approach?
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
This is a discussion of principle. Save the details till later.
hedgehog@ttrpg.network 3 weeks ago
You said, and I quote “Find a better way.” I don’t agree with your premise - this is the better way - but I gave you a straightforward, reasonable way to achieve something important to you… and now you’re saying that “This is a discussion of principle.”
You’ve just proven that it doesn’t take a moderator to turn a conversation into a bad joke - you can do it on your own.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Find a better way
Mind explaining what would possibly be better? Having zero moderation isn’t it.
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
What would be better is a system where the sancttiry of the conversation was respected. Where there was 100% assurance that everything you said got to me and everything I said got to you. No question at all. No man in the middle censoring and altering according to his whim.
Zahille7@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
People have been asking you for days with zero explanation: what the fuck happened to you here to make you go on this weird pseudo-crusade?
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Sounds like you want a private messenger, not a public forum…
callouscomic@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
That’s called a DM. Try it sometime.
SolidShake@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
A mod MAKES the community and makes the rules of that community.
Kinda like how you wouldn’t want me to go to your and take a shit on the carpet.
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Surely the constituancy of users have some hand in making the community too.
superkret@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Yes, and one single “user” with a script can destroy it if no one is moderating.
Blaze@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Mods who power trip get reported to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Not perfect, but that and public modlogs help
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
It’s weird. The simple fact of being watched and told what you can say. And the possibility that what you’re saying is being edited and what you’re hearing is edited too.
This strikes me as abhorrent. But most of the people here call it necessary, preferable and even desirable.
vatlark@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I moderate showerthoughts.
I certainly don’t know everything but I’m very sure I can’t edit other people’s posts.
If a post is questionable, then I try to message people and talk it out. We are all human.
Some people wish we moderated more aggressively to keep the post quality higher, others, like yourself wish there was less moderation. I try to leave things up unless there is an obvious violation, I try to apply the rules fairly, I am human.
db2@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Does your handler know you’re online?
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I run !news_summary@hilariouschaos.com I don’t remove shit unless u are clearly violating the rules its all available via the modlog.
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Why should we trust you?
superkret@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
its all available via the modlog
Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I blocked all .ml communities so this problem no longer affects me
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Manually? Or is there an easier way to mass block them?
vatlark@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You can block entire instances. You should be able to find it in the settings of your Lemmy app. I know Tesseract and Voyager let you edit it. I think you can also filter by keywords.
Letme@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You don’t have to participate at all, you realize that right?
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
It’s a discussion of principle.
Letme@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you don’t like it, go to Truth Social or X where they never delete any comments, apparently. You are a free man
Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
its the same function in all forums that have mods. the problem is some doing it based on personal bias which is the wrong, and reddit allows too much leeway in what mods will ban or remove.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 3 weeks ago
“We don’t need moderators!” shouts the Troll*, in the wrong community.
* either a troll or just an idiot, doesn’t matter imo
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
If you are saying nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear from moderation, right?
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 3 weeks ago
I mean… “To fear”? No. But There are plenty legitimate to remove comments and posts that have nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, to do with mod overreach or censorship.
On the other hand, anti-moderation people only ever seem to come up with “but I want to be able to post whatever I want!”
“Free speech” in this context means: you can go create your own instance or community, with blackjack and hookers! And mods can use the tools at their disposal to enable the rest of us to not have to deal with bullshit.