Well shit. Time to rip my own files because their migration stuff is going to be all Microsoft proprietary.
Microsoft is killing OneNote for Windows 10
Submitted 1 year ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-killing-onenote-for-windows-10/
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Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 year ago
AugustWest@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I like Joplin, it could work for me but about 6 months ago I had to quit. My use case is against my s3 instance (not amazon) with 3 devices syncing. It became corrupt everytime.
Has this improved?
DarkWinterNights@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Feature Notion Joplin Obsidian Evernote Zoho Notebook GoodNotes Zim Wiki Standard Notes MyInfo Cloud Sync Yes Yes Optional Yes Yes Yes Manual Yes Manual Offline Support Partial Yes Yes Paid only Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Handwriting Support No Limited No Yes Yes Excellent No No No Encryption No Yes No Partial No No No Yes No Hierarchy Support Yes Yes Yes Yes Partial Yes Yes No Yes Free Version Yes Yes Yes Limited Yes Limited Yes Limited No Platform Support Win, macOS, iOS, Android, Web Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android Win, macOS, iOS, Android, Web Win, macOS, iOS, Android, Web iOS, macOS, Web, Win (beta) Win, Linux Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android, Web Windows Chulk@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
I personally use Obsidian, but I know that other have suggested logseq. Might be useful to have in your table. Also, Obsidian does have an Android app.
DarkWinterNights@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Thanks - good notes
Natanael@infosec.pub 1 year ago
This is unreadable on mobile in portrait mode
BlindFrog@lemmy.world 1 year ago
On Boost, the columns got narrowed to each three characters wide, just to fit all columns on screen width-wise
eneff@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Perfectly readable with the Voyager App.
turnip@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I suggest You track, which has a Wiki component. It had extensions like Draw.IO as well for diagramming.
DarkWinterNights@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Great note - thanks for the contribution.
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m very interested in OneNote alternatives. I’ve been using OneNote for longer than I’ve disliked Microsoft… and I still think it’s a good app. Pretty much the only thing I don’t like about OneNote is the increasingly close integration with Windows accounts. I’d rather my notes were not scanned and uploaded and processed by a US mega-corp…
Anyway, people keep suggesting stuff like Joplin. But that isn’t even vaguely close to OneNote in terms of stylus and inking. For me, inking is the main core feature. And so in terms of alternatives, xournal++ is a closer fit. (xournal++ has essentially no organisational structure for notes; but it is really great for inking.)
What I’d really like is basically the organisational structure of Joplin (or whatever other alternative) + the inking power of xournal++. And ideally being able to import my vast amounts of handwritten OneNote work! – But that last bit is probably too much to ask.
forgotaboutlaye@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve been using Any.type for a bit over a year, and am very happy with it, but I don’t believe it has hand writing support.
There is a free tier that includes 1gb synced storage (optional).
It’s open source. Somewhat similar to Obsidian, but no plugin support that I’m aware of.
matmarspace@programming.dev 1 year ago
For hand writing i suggest using Rnote and for normal keyboard writing I suggest Joplin. Keep it synced using cloud provider or using Syncthing for free.
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll check out Rnote sometime soon.
(As I said, I do like the writing & drawing features of xournal++; and so I’ve been doing a bit of basic file / folder organising with that already; but it certainly isn’t as easily browseable as OneNote.)
seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Everyong recommending Obsidian in the comments, where are Logseq users?
eneff@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
I stopped using it since they keep not updating the electron version they are using. It took them forever to update after electron 28 went EOL, and they updated to a version that went EOL about a week later and have been on that version ever since.
GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Obsidian ftw
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s the usual rename and replace that Microsoft love to do.
“OneNote for Windows 10” is going to be replaced by “OneNote for Windows”
Why they always do the kill, rename and replace instead of just replace with an update? Each kill&replace operation leads to lost users…
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
This is a good time to switch to Notesnook, which has a OneNote importer.
Why am I about to shill so hard for this particular app? Simple, because after Evernote enshittified over a decade ago, I switched to OneNote as the least terrible alternative, and then spent the next ten years trying to find an actually good, open source notes app.
Call me Ahab because this motherfucker has been my white whale for a not-insignificant portion of my life.
Notesnook, finally, hit everything I wanted;
- You can self host it (but you don’t have to)
- Self hosters get everything on the paid plan for free
- It has a web app, a desktop app, and a healthy ecosystem of phone apps, with - very importantly - 1:1 feature parity. Everything you want to do you can do from any of the interfaces and for the most part they’re even laid out identically.
- It has a proper rich text WYSIWYG editor. It does not demand you learn FUCKING MARKDOWN. JESUS H CHRIST I DO NOT WANT TO LEARN A FUCKING SYNTAX TO MAKE NOTES, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
- But for those who care about that stuff, it is built on markdown, and all your notes can be exported in markdown, so there’s no lock in. And you can use markdown in the editor (without even having to switch modes like a lot of other editors).
- Everything is encrypted by default. Notes can also be individually password protected.
- You can share copies of notes with optional password protection and self-destruction.
- It has a really slick UI. Everything works, everything is intuitive, there are tonnes of keyboard shortcuts. I find I actually have an easier time writing long form text content (such as a novella I’m working on) in Notesnook than I did in Word or LibreOffice.
- It builds a TOC for notes automatically. You can link notes to each other, and links are bidirectional so you can track which notes link to a particular note.
- You have sorting by both tags, and notebooks. Notebooks are infinitely nestable, and - this is really cool - notes can exist in multiple notebooks simultaneously.
- It has robust web clipper for Firefox and Chrome.
- Very robust attachment support.
- God so much more, I’m having to deliberately stop here.
What it’s currently lacking is drawing support. If that’s a must have for you, check out Joplin instead (at least for now, I’ve seen some talk about Notesnook integrating Excalibur for digital canvas, which would be a superb solution).
Anyway, please check out Notesnook. It’s excellent, and I like sharing excellent things. notesnook.com/downloads/
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I cannot agree with you any harder about FUCKING MARKDOWN. Fuck me I hate that every fucking note app wants me to write in fucking markdown. FUCK. THAT. SHIT.
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I am trying it out given all the praise.
- I can’t create more than 5 (!) tags in the free version
- it can’t export notes in anything else than borked text files in the free version (formatting lost, no markdown, no pdf, no html)
- it doesn’t let me choose where I store my notebooks, in fact does not tell me where it saves them at all
- the importer/converter is on the web, and requires me to upload all my plain text MD files for conversion
I use QOwnNotes on the daily, which does not have any such limitations. On the other hand, it’s a markdown editor, which means your monitor space is divided by two : it has separate editing & preview panes, and it’s honestly a bummer because apart from that it’s pretty much perfect
MisterD@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Lots of limitations for markdown: No underlining No colors Limited table formatting
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Not like markdown can underline without uaing html markup…
amphy@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Worth mentioning that the bidirectional linking works for notes themselves, or even certain parts in notes. So if Note A has a list and I want to link to a certain list item from that inside Note B, I can do that. Super cool functionality imo
a_fancy_kiwi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Did you by chance self host the sync server using docker compose? Their instructions aren’t great and I was hoping you had some tips.
For anyone else interested, if I figure it out, I’ll post what I did here.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
So yes, I did, and yes, their docs suck (better documentation is on their roadmap).
There’s a really good guide here on Lemmy that I recommend instead. lemmy.ml/post/25006407
Following this I had it up and running in no time. Check the comments as well, I added some notes on getting attachments working. If you’re still having issues shoot me a message and I’ll try to help.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
: I finally got it all setup but syncing isn’t working so I guess I did something wrong
$5 says you need a srv record or something that wasn’t obvious from the docs
Brumefey@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It has a proper rich text WYSIWYG editor. It does not demand you learn FUCKING MARKDOWN. JESUS H CHRIST I DO NOT WANT TO LEARN A FUCKING SYNTAX TO MAKE NOTES, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
I’m curious about this agressive stance. Why is markdown so triggering for you ? I get the pros of WYSIWYG but it has also some cons. On Lemmy for instance you use markdown without even noticing ?
I use Obsidian and I’m happy with it. The markdown syntax is really easy and it’s « almost » WYSIWYG because you see the markdown only at your cursor. It even has a plugin for excalidraw.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah after spending my adulthood on reddit and lemmy markdown is second nature and I don’t like it not being maintained in notesnook thr way it is in Obsidian. I’d prefer a foss solution though and notesnook looks like otherwise it’s better
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
What a fucking shill. I’m downloading this right now.
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
What notepad requires markdown?
ehh@lemm.ee 1 year ago
too bad it doesnt support handwriting i was looking for something to unify my handwritten and markdown note-taking
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
If you can, take a moment to upvote Drawing Support in their suggested features section; notesnook.com/roadmap/
BuckenBerry@lemmy.world 1 year ago
+1 for notesnook. It’s probably my go to example of how good open source projects can be.
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You badass you
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Obsidian also has an importer, and some good sync plugins.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 year ago
It’s also not open source. Totally people’s choice if they still want to use it, but that’s important to many. If so, I do predict you’ll eventually experience the inevitable enshittification…
meco03211@lemmy.world 1 year ago
1 star reviews on the app store consistently mention sync issues and bugs that delete notes and don’t allow opening. Have you encountered any of this?
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Not even once. The syncing has been incredibly robust for me. It also has a really nice flow for handling conflicts.
Of course, it’s worth keeping in mind that it can new self-hosted, so experiences will vary.
I’m using the self hosted version. Take from that what you will.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 year ago
It looks like that’s a minority of users. Currently 4.6/5 on the Play Store, with 100,000 downloads. Embarrassingly, I still use Evernote but I need to ditch it. I’m going to try it out!
DelightfullyDivisive@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ll give it a look. I’ve been using Joplin since Evernote enshittified, and I didn’t know it had drawing support. I very rarely use Markdown, though. You can hide that with two interface tweaks, which I did years ago on my machines. (I have to look it up again every time I add a new machine, so it’s not perfect.)
Is Notesnook FOSS? I expect any closed-source software to enshittify over time. 🙁
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Yes, it’s all open source and can be self-hosted. They run a paid plan, but if you self host then you get all the paid features free.
Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I will try it! Never heard of it. I also hate the markdown nonsense.
sunbeam60@lemmy.one 1 year ago
real MVP right here.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Ok you win, I’ll try it.
poopkins@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not to judge a book by its cover (ironically), but that name…
Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Which name, “VoroxPete”? Is that a shill or a liar in something?
bestbry@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Joke is on them, I moved all my notes to Joplin 😎😂
realitista@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Until they make a proper upgrade to my surface 10, I will have no other choice but to stay on the windows 10 version.
Sturgist@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
clears throat
Surface Linux Kernel. Surface 10 supported.
Some distros of Linux that have SLK rolled in:
- Based on fedora
- Made by GloriousEggroll who also is responsible for protonGE a great derivative of the Steam Proton compatibility layer for playing windows games on Linux
- Development and maintaining it is done by a single dude, so if something happens to him, that’s the project done, this is not in the Pros section.
- for when you really just want your surface device to be running Android
- immutable distro, makes it easier to undo fuck ups, and often prevents them happening at all
- seems fairly mature and robust, I don’t know for a fact as I haven’t used it
- for when you want to put a bit more effort in
- the instructions here are from building Gentoo locally using and Arch LiveISO
- FOR WHEN YOU WANT TO PUT MORE EFFORT IN
These were the really easy to find options. There’s absolutely going to be more that have SLK rolled in…but that’s not actually necessary, as the SLK git has easy to follow instructions on rolling it into whatever distro might interest you. The whole Linux universe is your oyster.
I have a Surface Pro 4, and I run Nobara, works great, better than windows. There are some hardware things that don’t 100% work on some surface devices. Here is the Supported device list and Features Matrix. Looks like the SP10 doesn’t like to hibernate, and doesn’t have working cameras atm.
realitista@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Doesn’t really solve my OneNote problem, as I run it on no fewer than 7 macOS, windows, iOS, and android devices.
LupertEverett@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Neowin is the web site where their writers can stupidly claim that Qt getting an advertisement module means that KDE will have ads in them soon.
web.archive.org/…/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-po…
Stop linking to them.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Do you have more info about the source? I currently know nothing about neowin or qt, and only a little about KDE. Are other Linux news sources debunking that article?
LupertEverett@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There is none of them, because there is absolutely nothing connecting the former to latter. Since Neowin stated it themselves, the burden of proof lies entirely on them and they literally cannot provide any.
To quote the “article”:
While it’s doubtful you’ll see ads in KDE’s core applications, it would be possible for distributions that wish to further monetize their work to fork these applications, placing ads in them.
tonytins@pawb.social 1 year ago
Phoronix, It’s FOSS, Linux Journal, NixCraft, and OMG! Ubuntu are my sources.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can’t you reinstall it? Or install an older version? Obligitory fuck Microsoft.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Looks like I made a good decision deciding to move from onenote to obsidian last month. I like that it is a fancy mark down editor so I can just move my text files some where else if I decide to not use Obsidian in the future. When it comes to onenote functionality of being able to draw or paste where ever I want the excalidraw plugin which is open source has met my needs.
Been nice to move to something that is multi platform.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Obsidian is a fancy markdown editor with metadata, sync, indexing, data querying and views and a lively ecosystem of plugins. It has everything except being open source.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I use QOwnNotes. It is open source and works with nextcloud/owncloud, files are stored in plain text so if you wanted to switch to something else it should be pretty simple.
Burghler@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It would be incredible to have a self hosted web UI but that’s a tall ask. Instead I’ve been using Quartz to generate a static site from hot reloading which seems to cover this end to a degree.
FederatedSaint@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I use it all the time
JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 1 year ago
While OneNote for Windows 10 still has roughly half a year, Microsoft will start nagging users with update prompts much earlier. For starters, in June 2025, Microsoft will slow down the app’s sync performance, thus forcing customers to ditch the old app, especially those using OneNote on multiple devices or for real-time collaboration.
Next, in July 2025, banners will make their way to OneNote for Windows 10 to make sure users are aware of the upcoming end of support. Microsoft says these banners “could impact users workflows.” You do not say, Microsoft.
Wait. You’re gonna throttle them and then wait a month to tell them why you’re throttling them? What?
Daelsky@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Thats so shitty
Undearius@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
This is not to be confused with the application called “OneNote”, that’s staying.
You can always trust Microsoft to make two version of the same application and to have really bad naming.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I got so sick of their shit. I think there were two Teams and Skype versions too. Wtf is their problem?? I just stick with LibreOffice for everything now, but eyeing OnlyOffice because of their cloud service.
ernest314@lemm.ee 1 year ago
OpenOffice is unmaintained, unfortunately (see the LibreOffice page explaining this); LibreOffice considers officially hosting a cloud service out of their scope but Collabora does (and you can self-host, of course). Their “Development Edition” is the free version that doesn’t come with an SLA.
Undearius@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Yes, there was Teams (classic) and Teams (new. There’s also Outlook (new) and Outlook (classic).
There was the Snipping Tool and Snip & Sketch, it even said they were getting rid of Shipping Tool, but then they got rid of Snip & Sketch instead but the function of Snipping Tools is the same as Snip & Sketch.
tonytins@pawb.social 1 year ago
I really liked OneNote.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This really pisses me off. I have so much shit in OneNote and use it regularly.