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'An Insult To Life Itself': Hayao Miyazaki’s AI Criticism Resurfaces As OpenAI’s Ghibli-Style Image Trend Takes Over Social Media
Submitted 4 weeks ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to anime@ani.social
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kamenlady@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 4 weeks ago
hitagi@ani.social 4 weeks ago
The clip is from a documentary where Miyazaki works on a 3DCG short film (something completely unheard of). You can watch the documentary here. I do like the point he makes:
(Suzuki) “So, what’s your goal?”
(Guy) “Well, we would like to build a machine that can draw pictures like humans do.”
(Miyazaki) “We humans are losing faith in ourselves.”
hypertown@ani.social 3 weeks ago
A certain artist once said: I want AI to clean my house, do the dishes so I can do art. No the other way around.
rob400@ani.social 4 weeks ago
Miyazaki seems to be concerned about the loss of humans, because after comparing their display with his friend with a disability. He says he find this discusting calling that creators of this stuff has no idea of pain whatever. That he would not incorporate this technology into his work at all.
ok, but what he says next is very important, I believe that it is at the heart of the meaning behind his statements. He says that he feels that this is an insult to life itself. and then right at the very end of the video, he says humans are losing faith in themselves.
This is very telling, with ai as a whole because ai is made to be able to replicate with humans can. I think he has a fear of a newer upper life, made virtually will replace humans in the making of arts. (probably not exclusively just the arts, but in this case.) Which includes anime and video games.
jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
Dayum, bro was crying. Being shut dow by Miyazaki like that must’ve felt like your soul being eviscerated.
anonymous_in_atl@ani.social 4 weeks ago
Its heartbreaking for him, but i’ve never seen such pathetic animation in my life. At the end of the day, they needed to be sized down, because all that GenAI is doing is melting every creative endeavor to slop. The spirit of humanity, exploited by a prompt.
Oberyn@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
That miyazaki quote’s out of context . It’s not referencing genAI , it’s used to liken his disabled friend to a cgi monster . Shouldn’t have to explain how fucked that is . If you’re gonna criticise AI in art , don’t spread misinfo
sev@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
I just watched the video in question, and this is an entirely backwards take. Miyazaki is saying the animation as an insult to the pain of those with disablities like his friend, not disparaging people with disabilities.
It isn’t specifically about generative ai, but he is talking about art (animations) made through machine-learning being a cold mimicry of real humans. I think the comparison is pretty fair and it applies in both instances.
Oberyn@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
If you lꝏk at a monster and 1st thing comes to your brain’s disabled person , there’s some thing wrong with you
Let’s not take every thing miyazaki says at face value . Ffs he compared swiping gestures on ipads to masturbation . This tendency he seems to have with every new technology being The Worst Thing Ever , ⦅bogus|overly hyperbolic) comparisons|catastrophising (“end of times” in reference to desire to create genAI art technology⦆ , think the disability comparison definitely qualifies
Susaga@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
It’s completely in context. We have the complete context. It’s in response to an AI generated walk cycle, and he specifically called out the technology as something he never wants to work with. The people he spoke to said they wanted to make an AI that can draw like humans do, which is how generative AI is described.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Yeah he is just being a huge asshole in this presentation, basically shitting on all art that plays on reactions of horror to uncanny movements, there’s no meaningful commentary on technology here.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
And the feature has already been plugged by Open AI. It won’t do Ghibli style reimagining anymore
easily3667@lemmus.org 3 weeks ago
That’s sad
Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 4 weeks ago
I agree! AI art is an affront to humanity. People should be ashamed to even use AI for art, but in the age of hypercapitalism it’s all about money or clout for most people. It’s just one more reason why as time goes on I trend more and more towards misanthropy.
sj_zero 4 weeks ago
I can absolutely understand why he'd say that.
It's a tough thing, complex. Human beings can be (creative) hacks too, copying something without any soul. But humans only have two hands and need to sleep and eat. An AI just needs a power supply and an Internet connection.
easily3667@lemmus.org 3 weeks ago
You are a processing unit with a chassis that converts stored energy into chemical energy of the type your processing unit can use. You require, and have, means to interact with your environment.
AI systems are a processing unit with a chassis that converts available energy into energy of the type it’s processing unit can use. It requires, and has, a means to interact with it’s environment, the internet.
I’m at a loss for why anyone in this thread thinks humans are special. Our processing units have more capacity for evil and hallucinations, but we don’t get extra credit for that.
5trong5tyle@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
If that is your true view on what it means to be human, I’m truly sad for you. An AI system can’t experience joy, loss, sadness or happiness. There’s few animals around that can do this consciously. Humans are one of them. There is so much more to life than just chemical processes in your brain (that haven’t even been shown to happen before the thought happens or their connection to thought in general). Life is shared in a community and experienced together, humans aren’t meant to be solitary processing units, they’re group animals and that experience creates something not replicable with emotionless systems.
This is also why AI art fails. It doesn’t know how to connect to others and take input from experiences, because it doesn’t experience. It’s solipsist in its nature.
sj_zero 3 weeks ago
A perfectly modernist take.
The problem is that modernism is wrong. The universe cannot be explained through that outdated mode of thinking, it just leads to totalitarianism and human suffering.
person1@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
You are special, like it or not :)
Cris_Color@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Not suprised, Miyazaki’s art is deeply concerned with what it means to be human, and the beauty to be found there.
The art style is an superficial aesthetic of that beauty, not the heart of it.
And none of that heart is in ai generated images. They’re souless immitations that ape the substance of his works without having any. Like how hallmark pretends to depict “love” with paper thin characters and sanitizes it of any real substance or meaning
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
It’s striking isn’t it how the debate around generative AI is essentially drawn along the line that separates good taste from bad. To win the debate we’re going to need really good art.
anonymous_in_atl@ani.social 4 weeks ago
Or a lot of irish car bombs, and I don’t mean the drink
tankplanker@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s a fundamental issue understanding what art is for sure. People who could really draw well could already copy his style perfectly, but just because you can perfectly copy it doesn’t make it original, and thus have the same value. It’s not that it has no value, just considerably less value than his films.
It’s that total lack of originality with AI slavishly copying a style like this that shows its lack of creative value. It’s like pressing play on a keyboard programmed with 20 top tunes of the 80s and randomly pressing the high hat key.
Sure, it enables someone who can’t play the piano to “play” a song, but not really. It’s the same getting AI to copy by rote someone else’s style they developed, it requires no effort or application of originality.
Bleys@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
It definitely tracks that this same post in Reddit is overwhelmed with people supporting OpenAI on the matter.
known_unknown@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I think the show Arcane is one of the best examples of commercially released art in recent decades; interestingly, what happened is people actually accused it of using AI where there was none. Also Variety et al did a whole round of balking that anyone would invest in something so frivolous as serious animation for adults
There’s always gonna be Capitalists who try and commodify art, but fundamentally humans are the the only ones who can make NEW insights that resonate with people RIGHT NOW. If AI IS ever able to observe the world and reflect on it and offer something new, in the way humans are, it would still be from their own perspective, not ours.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
And much like that line, people confuse their personal taste for some kind of universal Truth that has to apply to everyone.